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    Re: Rip Joe Morgan

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix2 View Post
    Opposing players rarely, if ever, admit they are intimidated...but Doc Ellis of the Pirates did admit that his team was intimidated by the Reds after he hit the first four Reds in the order. And the Pirates were no slouches.
    I was going to say this too. By this time, the BRM was absolutely rolling and putting on a daily clinic on baseball. And if you are playing against someone you know is very good, you get out of your game a little and don’t play fast and loose. Not saying this is why Geronimo has such a season, but overall, that Reds team was fearsome.
    “He smote Cutshaw athwart the floating ribs with an inshoot.”


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    Re: Rip Joe Morgan

    Took a close look at Morgan’s career. He had more walks than strikeouts in every single season he played, including the later years. Only one exception occurred when he was 20 years old. Also had an OPS+ better than 100 in every season he played. Wonder how many hall of famers can say that?

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    Re: Rip Joe Morgan

    I came across this interesting stat: in the entire history of baseball only 5 players have 2+ MVP's, 5+ Gold Gloves and 10+ All Star Selections. 2 of those players played on the same team! Joe Morgan and Johnny Bench. The others are Mike Schmidt, Barry Bonds and Willie Mays.

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    Re: Rip Joe Morgan

    Quote Originally Posted by UPRedsFan View Post
    Took a close look at Morgan’s career. He had more walks than strikeouts in every single season he played, including the later years. Only one exception occurred when he was 20 years old. Also had an OPS+ better than 100 in every season he played. Wonder how many hall of famers can say that?
    In the middle of Ted Williams career he had one season he only had 12 plate appearances with 2 Ks and 2 BBs. Every other year he easily had more BBs than Ks. Career 2021 BBs and 709 Ks and easily cleared the better than 100 OPS+ every season for a career 191. Teddy Ballgame stood 6'3 so did have a much larger strikezone. But still a great stat for Morgan as being topped by Ted Williams is no shame.

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    Re: Rip Joe Morgan

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I know this won't be popular, but some guys know things so well, they don't need analytics to tell them. A lot of what analytics tells us are things we've always known all along. Getting on base - good. Extra base hits - good. More range in the field - good. Hard contact - good. Get a good pitch to hit and working the count has been a strategy since the beginning. Some analytics guys renamed it "plate discipline" and acted like they invented it. There is definitely a lot that analytics reveals that isn't so obvious, but people spend a lot of time analyzing basics to the nth degree and it puts people off. Its less like that now, but 10 or 15 years ago, a lot of the analytics guys were pretty smug because they put numbers into basic common sense concepts. I can see why somebody who already knew a lot would turn his back on them. As you say, there were a lot of dbags.
    Yes, Joe didn’t talk analytics, but his game reeked of analytics baseball. Walks, homers (despite being “little Joe”), not much emphasis on BA.

    Morgan knew analytics where it counted, on the field.

    And the epitome of the all around player.
    Last edited by Kc61; 10-20-2020 at 11:28 PM.


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