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    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread View Post
    I am no fan of Wall’s selfish and lazy game...
    How is John Wall selfish?


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    In 2018, Zach Lowe cited the stat that John Wall spent 76.57 percent of his floor time standing still, the highest percentage of any rotation player, even beating out a 40 yr old Dirk Nowtizki. One example of this was described as “ this is what it looks like when your controller dies in the middle of a game”.

    I can’t decide if that is more selfish or more lazy but there are aspects of both involved.
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    No one really knows what John Wall will be when he comes back. Russ is much more known quantity. Top 10 make the playoffs this year. The Wiz finished 9th last season and they're unquestionably better on paper now than they were last season.
    Right now, I still have them 9th:

    1. Milwaukee
    2. Boston
    3. Brooklyn
    4. Philadelphia
    5. Miami
    6. Toronto
    7. Indiana
    8. Atlanta

    New York and Cleveland are horrid. They're probably a level or two better than Orlando and Charlotte. Worst case, one or both of Detroit and Chicago stay healthy and develop, pushing them to the playoff hinterlands. Best case, maybe they beat out a sneaky-good Atlanta squad and Indiana squabbles its way down the rabbit hole of adequacy.

    BTW, Houston could ranks anywhere from 5th to 12th in my pre-season list. That entire conference is hard to figure. (Go ahead and tell me where Dallas ranks, for example. Or Memphis. Or NOLA. Or Utah.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread View Post
    In 2018, Zach Lowe cited the stat that John Wall spent 76.57 of his floor time standing still, the highest percentage of any rotation player, even beating out a 40 yr old Dirk Nowtizki. One example of this was described as “ this is what it looks like when your controller dies in the middle of a game”.
    I get the lazy lob, sure.

    How is he selfish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    I get the lazy lob, sure.

    How is he selfish?
    What do you call it when a player isn’t getting back on defense, or not trying at all to get open for a teammate?

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    Re: NBA Post Bubble - Draft & Offseason

    The NBA has released another tranche of City edition jerseys and my favorite is the Indiana jersey:

    https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...-3/6475628002/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread View Post
    What do you call it when a player isn’t getting back on defense, or not trying at all to get open for a teammate?
    Lazy.

    Selfish would be hogging the ball and refusing to pass to open teammates. For his faults, Wall was not that.

    And to be clear, "not getting open for his teammates" is kind of a misnomer. The Wiz offense under Brooks, up until Wall's injury, at least, had been a three-out, two-in system, typical for pro ball in the 1990s. This offense is predicated on precise spacing and roles. Wall was not just the primary ball handler but the only offensive initiator for the offense. The Wizards' favorite offensive set, for example, is one where Wall walks the ball up the court, while the DC wings get double picks near the elbows from their two bigs. Wall typically has nowhere to run with the ball in that set. Too, because the secondary play makers (Beal and Porter in the season you mentioned) can then make plays via drive or pass, Wall has to stay put up top for spacing issues.

    It's similar with other sets they ran. When not in their base, they also did a lot of screen-the-screener plays up top, which necessitate Wall using tempo (ie, walking or jogging the ball to the left or right of the screen), so that the shooter can peel off the screen for shots. Having two post players (Morris and Gortat, for most of his career) has necessitated Wall being a static piece on offense.

    After Wall's injury, Brook's redesigned his offense pushing pick and rolls and "lip" sets in four-out (or occasionally five-out) concepts. Roles became much more fluid (as Brooks himself said in multiple interviews). He pushed Beal to do more with the ball, and to his credit, he did just that. It helped that, by that time, Thomas Bryant-- a willing and capable shooter-- had mostly replaced Gortat and Morris had become a much more willing shooter as well. Last year, Brooks went even further in that direction, with Bertans replacing Porter as the deep sniper and everyone playing outside the three-point line. They also pushed the pace to an extreme level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread View Post
    The NBA has released another tranche of City edition jerseys and my favorite is the Indiana jersey:

    https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...-3/6475628002/
    I dig Miami's. (As always.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillDoran View Post
    Wizards' rotation right now would include: Beal, Westbrook, Betrans, Deni Avdija, Rui Hachimura, Robin Lopez, Thomas Bryant, Ish Smith and Mo Wagner?
    Don't forget about Troy Brown Jr. He was rounding into a real nice starting SF at the end of the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    Right now, I still have them 9th:

    1. Milwaukee
    2. Boston
    3. Brooklyn
    4. Philadelphia
    5. Miami
    6. Toronto
    7. Indiana
    8. Atlanta

    New York and Cleveland are horrid. They're probably a level or two better than Orlando and Charlotte. Worst case, one or both of Detroit and Chicago stay healthy and develop, pushing them to the playoff hinterlands. Best case, maybe they beat out a sneaky-good Atlanta squad and Indiana squabbles its way down the rabbit hole of adequacy.

    BTW, Houston could ranks anywhere from 5th to 12th in my pre-season list. That entire conference is hard to figure. (Go ahead and tell me where Dallas ranks, for example. Or Memphis. Or NOLA. Or Utah.)
    9th buys them a ticket to the play-in. Sounds about right. Most miserable team in the East is going to be whoever gets the #7 seed. That's going to be a team that had much higher expectations.

    I can't figure out the West either.
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    9th buys them a ticket to the play-in. Sounds about right. Most miserable team in the East is going to be whoever gets the #7 seed. That's going to be a team that had much higher expectations.

    I can't figure out the West either.
    Oh, yeah-- that 7th seed in either league is so screwed.

    The teams I'm interested in out West right now are the Warriors, the Suns, Rockets, and the Timberwolves.

    I want Stephen Curry to go for 40 a night just because he can. With Oubre and Wiggins at the wings, an interested and invested Green at PF, and Wiseman as a rim-running athletic marvel, I want to see Kerr open it wide open and just grip it and rip it. Try to score 150 a night. Go full on Loyola Marymount Hank Gather/ Bo Kimble Era. Let Green and Wiseman gobble up whatever rebounds there might be. Let Curry leak early every trip downcourt. Heck, let him snowbird so much he should move to Florida.

    In Phoenix, I'm curious if Chris Paul can negate Sarver's worst tendencies and bring that team out of their funk and into the limelight. It'd be a hell of a career coda, for sure. I'm hoping Booker shows off his halcyon bubble days consistently, with that new-found bubble tenacity and dagger after dagger. I want to see Saric as a play-making PF-- or center-- like he was in the bubble. And I want to see Mikal Bridges take another step forward. Like that team's makeup right now, assuming Ayton's head is on right. If he's not, it's nearly as good a story anyway. Chris Paul might just murder him.

    Houston is going to be crazy whether their plan works or it doesn't. It's a train wreck in the most beautiful of ways. That team could legitimately win the championship-- three All-NBA level players? Got it. All three of them bathouse crazy? Yup. They might lead the league in technicals, free throws, and ejections. And three pointers. And elbows. And beards. I can't decide if they're going to be the league bullies/ villains or if they're going to be a modern-day Uncle Drew Crew. James Harden might be the first player ever to win an MVP while being completely miserable and winning the championship.

    In Minnesota, I want to see what no defense looks like. When the best defender who'll play meaningful minutes is Juan Hernangomez, you know you're going to have to score 140 to win. Thing is, they just might do that enough to make it a blast to watch. KAT's a problem for everyone. Everyone else will get enough shots to have a shot at 20 per night. Five guys on that team could average 15 pts a night. Malik Beasley might just end up an All-Star level wing, and he's their third- or fourth-best scorer. That's crazy.

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    Aminu nowhere near return per reports and Bamba is still dealing with COVID 19 symptoms from a June diagnosis. Add no Isaac for this year on top of that and the only thing Im excited about is Cole Anthony and getting a bottom 3 finish to have the best lotto odds at the #1 pick

    Oh and maybe well finally cash in some value on somebody at the TDL. Vuc, AG, Fournier trades, any would be music to my ears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo Rijo View Post
    Aminu nowhere near return per reports and Bamba is still dealing with COVID 19 symptoms from a June diagnosis. Add no Isaac for this year on top of that and the only thing Im excited about is Cole Anthony and getting a bottom 3 finish to have the best lotto odds at the #1 pick

    Oh and maybe well finally cash in some value on somebody at the TDL. Vuc, AG, Fournier trades, any would be music to my ears.
    Fournier's definitely moving at the deadline. Got to believe Gordon's getting moved too.
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    Don't forget about Troy Brown Jr. He was rounding into a real nice starting SF at the end of the season.
    I suspect he'll be the starting SF unless they opt to pair Hachimura and Betrans as starting forwards. I also wouldn't count out Jerome Robinson and Issac Bonga as rotational pieces.

    It's going to be interesting to see how the rotations and starting positions play out for both Washington and Houston in the wake of their collective offseason moves.

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    Fournier's definitely moving at the deadline. Got to believe Gordon's getting moved too.
    Agreed.

    They really need to see what they have in a possible Anthony / Fultz backcourt pairing, as well as Okeke at forward. That's, in essence, an extra first round pick for this season. But, unless they've absolutely blown away with an offer, I highly doubt that Vuc moves this season, regardless of the amount of production from Bamba.


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    What's interesting is its ability to score at every position and at every spot on the court. None of the guys they have are knockdown shooters, but all of them-- with the exception of Wall (who's still a much better shooter than Westbrook)-- are good enough and willing enough that you have to respect that shot. And they will take them in bunches, I'm guessing. I'm curious how the offense will work. Wall will want to push tempo early, and Wood and House should get quite a bit of run (and a few easy buckets) running to the rim. That'll set up Harden and perhaps Cousins for secondary break opportunities against a stretched defense.

    Pick and rolls are going to be lethal. Cousins is an extremely underrated pick setter-- it's one of his hidden skills-- and Wall and Harden are both next-gen play makers with heads of steam. I'm guessing Rocket fans are going to see that high pick and roll (at the top of the three-point line) over and over, especially late in possessions. Five-out offense? Almost for sure. And what's more, the rebounding shouldn't suffer. Both Wood and Cousins are elite space rebounders (if Wood's small samples and Cousin's health are excepted), as are Harden and Wall from their respective positions. They'll be nearly impossible to trap, as they have two exceptional play makers, plus Cousins and Gordon-- two excellent and willing passers and ball handlers.

    What's questionable is how they'll defend. Or, more to the point, if they'll defend. Wall can be a lockdown defender, but he was lackadaisical at best his last couple of seasons in DC, and he's getting a bit older. Cousins is (much) better than he gets credit for, but he's lumbering, awkward, and oftentimes lazy defensively. Wood isn't lockdown as a big-- and he struggled in Detroit last season defending wings in space. Harden takes plays off too. The bench will help in that regard-- and Eric Gordon will have to It's an ultra-talented YMCA squad, basically-- they're going to try to outscore you.

    Yet, this team is built for the playoffs (assuming it remains intact). Cousins defending Jokic or Gasol or even Wiseman? That's doable. Wood on AD, Green, or Porter? If I'm Houston, I can live with that. Harden played LeBron credibly last year (and has for years) and should be able to keep up with whatever Oubre or the Barton can do. Wall can go all death bomb on Dennis Schroder again, as an added bonus. Gordon can defend Murray, then hand him off to Wall, who has the quickness and strength to keep up with him and the athleticism to still bother his shots.

    Mostly, I love that Houston is trying something brand new on the fly, fearless in the face of Harden's desire to escape. There's the question of if he'll buy in, of course, but I hope he will. This team is better now than it was at the end of the year. Significantly so, IMO.
    The Rockets still have Tucker to defend the ADs, Greens and Porter Jrs of the NBA world, and to help space the floor. I suspect Cousins will start, with Wood spelling either Cousins or Tucker, unless Tucker garners some minutes at SF.

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