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    Re: NBA Post Bubble - Draft & Offseason

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    Nah. Charlotte just really sucks at drafting, more often than not. (And has been fairly unlucky when acquiring talent.)

    DeVonte Graham showed real flashes early last season (before falling back to earth a bit). PJ Washington's going to be a stretch four first-division starter for 15 years-- and if he develops at all, perhaps more.

    They've been stuck in the middle for so long that it's hard to find a star. And they need a star more than any team this side of the Big Apple.
    Miles Bridges is also a decent young player. But, as you mentioned, they have some interesting young pieces but no real star. And extending/retaining their one true star of recent memory (Walker) would have produced major cap ramifications, which would have relegated them to (at best) treadmill status for the foreseeable future.

    It goes without saying that they absolutely must nail this draft.
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    That kind of shooting will get a big guy paid. Oturu's one of those guys who could be out of the league in two years or a starting center for 15.

    I'd probably take a gamble on him, depending on who else is available, somewhere around the mid-lottery, assuming my scouts liked his motor and quickness enough to think he might be able to switch onto fours at times. (And if not, I'd only drop him five spots or so.)
    Yet many mocks still list Oturu as a second round pick. Why?
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    Re: NBA Post Bubble - Draft & Offseason

    NBA Draft will be held virtually on November 18th. The NBA draft presented by State Farm will air live on ESPN, ESPN Radio and the ESPN App at 7 p.m. ET.

    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...studios-nov-18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revering4Blue View Post
    While it's obvious that this incarnation of the Charlotte franchise fails to develop draftees for the most part, BZ nailed it - They basically suck at drafting overall. Mitch Kupchak gives them a fighting chance in that regard, however.

    Ironically, neither drafting nor developing young talent were the main issues with Sterling's Clippers. Rather, the issue was team building around young talent, often magnified by trading away what should have been young cornerstones for sub-par veteran-laden returns - Tom Chambers and Terry Cummings, for example.
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    Speaking of crippling (whether or not Cripplers' was intentional, it's amusing, btw), turning the rights to Danny 'The Next Larry Bird' Ferry into Ron Harper was absolute alchemy, and wound up crippling the Cavs. Yes, I'm aware that the Price/Daugherty Cavs reached the '92 ECF, but had no real shot at ousting the Bulls without Harper, spending years searching for a replacement before both Price and Daugherty were shelved with injuries.

    Of course, Sterling screwed up any chance of keeping the playoff team coached by Larry Brown - with a core of Harper, Danny Manning and Mark Jackson - together.
    "Cripplers" was a typo, but I liked it (had to add the "l") too much to fix it. Funny you should catch that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revering4Blue View Post
    Yet many mocks still list Oturu as a second round pick. Why?
    To be fair, this draft is completely different. No NCAA Tournament. No Combine. Far fewer chances to see what they can do. Far more depth in the class too (IMO).

    If you didn't watch much Big 10 basketball last year, you probably only saw Oturo a couple of times. Maybe he didn't stand out. Maybe the system's bad for showing that talent.

    This draft is going to be really interesting, I suspect, not just in the usual ways, but in what players get "overdrafted"-- and for what reasons.

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    Miles Bridges is also a decent young player. But, as you mentioned, they have some interesting young pieces but no real star. And extending/retaining their one true star of recent memory (Walker) would have produced major cap ramifications, which would have relegated them to (at best) treadmill status for the foreseeable future.

    It goes without saying that they absolutely must nail this draft.
    Charlotte needs scoring, height, and wing help. If one of Edwards or Wiseman falls to them, that's a great start. They can grab complementary help with the 32nd and 56th picks. They're in a great spot-- if either of the first two picks is Ball. If both of those guys are picked, I'd grab Okongwu and look for scoring elsewhere (and elsewhen).

    They might also look to trade up-- I suspect the Warriors would love to take a crack at the riddle that is Malik Monk. Add PJ Washington and both picks this season. Is that enough for Andrew Wiggins and the 3rd pick? I suspect it might be. Golden State could save monster cash (more than $30M this season alone, due to salary cap overages) and still have talent enough to compete in the West. Charlotte would get the scorer they need plus pick second. Add Wiggins and Wiseman and they may have enough firepower to play in the East.

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    It sucks that the Olympics is the only reason why the league is trying to start the next season Dec 22nd. They'd best serve themselves and the public if they began in March when they'd be closer to having fans fill (some of) the arenas again. It's still not likely for that to happen until well into Spring (late April/May) as that's the most likely time that mass vaccinations will have been completed and the corresponding COVID numbers reduced to a level that lets 25,000 people (fans plus employees) take part in an event at an enclosed environment.

    With this early start, I'm not seeing myself able to attend a game in person until after 60 of the 72 games have been played instead of after 20 games have been played if the season would begin in late March (and Zach Collins would be ready!, and Rodney Hood would have been ready for two months, where he'll be questionable to start the year on Dec 22...probably needs a few more weeks).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    To be fair, this draft is completely different. No NCAA Tournament. No Combine. Far fewer chances to see what they can do. Far more depth in the class too (IMO).

    If you didn't watch much Big 10 basketball last year, you probably only saw Oturo a couple of times. Maybe he didn't stand out. Maybe the system's bad for showing that talent.

    This draft is going to be really interesting, I suspect, not just in the usual ways, but in what players get "overdrafted"-- and for what reasons.
    Could not travel to Europe and see talent, either. Zoom interviews aren't quite the same, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    It sucks that the Olympics is the only reason why the league is trying to start the next season Dec 22nd.
    I $u$pect it ha$ more to do with regional $port$ package$ and cable televi$ion contract$ that require a certain amount of game$ played-- I believe it'$ $ixty and $eventy per team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    I $u$pect it ha$ more to do with regional $port$ package$ and cable televi$ion contract$ that require a certain amount of game$ played-- I believe it'$ $ixty and $eventy per team.
    That was the starting point, for sure. But, I thought they could still get the 72-game schedule in just as easily if they started in late March had there been no Olympics. Contractually, Arenas gaurantee availabilty through the 2nd week of June and that could be a huge factor, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    It sucks that the Olympics is the only reason why the league is trying to start the next season Dec 22nd. They'd best serve themselves and the public if they began in March when they'd be closer to having fans fill (some of) the arenas again. It's still not likely for that to happen until well into Spring (late April/May) as that's the most likely time that mass vaccinations will have been completed and the corresponding COVID numbers reduced to a level that lets 25,000 people (fans plus employees) take part in an event at an enclosed environment.

    With this early start, I'm not seeing myself able to attend a game in person until after 60 of the 72 games have been played instead of after 20 games have been played if the season would begin in late March (and Zach Collins would be ready!, and Rodney Hood would have been ready for two months, where he'll be questionable to start the year on Dec 22...probably needs a few more weeks).
    I suspect the reasoning behind Dec. 22 is they want that to become the league's new start date.

    As for your team, you can't seriously be counting on Collins and post-Achilles Hood to make major contributions. Even you can't be hankering for gruel that thin. After a season of trying to talk yourself into Melo wouldn't you prefer it if they got Dame a forward who's actually good? I can't imagine you'd be anything other than thrilled by that.
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    I suspect the reasoning behind Dec. 22 is they want that to become the league's new start date.

    As for your team, you can't seriously be counting on Collins and post-Achilles Hood to make major contributions. Even you can't be hankering for gruel that thin. After a season of trying to talk yourself into Melo wouldn't you prefer it if they got Dame a forward who's actually good? I can't imagine you'd be anything other than thrilled by that.
    With what cash?

    I was under the impression that Portland was maxed out.

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    With what cash?

    I was under the impression that Portland was maxed out.
    They'd have to wrangle a trade, though they might be able to work their cap enough to grab a guy like JaMychal Green.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    They'd have to wrangle a trade, though they might be able to work their cap enough to grab a guy like JaMychal Green.
    The problem is that almost everyone is over the cap. There are only five or six teams who have any room at all.

    They have to let Whitehead go to have any room at all. if they re-sign him, I think they're hard-capped (or right up against it). Ditto Hood. He'll earn less, no doubt and may be a relative bargain, but at the level they're at, Portland needs the nickels. (To be fair, I'm not a cap expert. This could be completely wrong and they could well end up being able to spend tens of millions due to some arcane heretofore unknown loophole.)

    Were I Portland, I'd go full-on veteran and pin some hopes on a guy like Paul Millsap. He's toasted, but smart and can help a team just by being a good glue guy and corner shooter. Maybe Bobby Portis would get it done instead. He had a horrible season in New York and won't cost much. Maybe Dion Waiters as a wing? I think Isiah Hartenstein could end up being pretty productive, given minutes. Patrick Patterson might be a guy too.

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    Hood has a $6 Million Player Option that I assume he takes given the circumstances. Hezonja also has a $2 Million PO that he will accept. The question I have with Portland is what do they do with Ariza? He is $12.8 Million against the cap if the keep him, but his contract is only partially guaranteed for $1.8 Million if they let him go. Under the old cap rules, where the non-guaranteed part counted in trades, that contract would be gold in a trade.
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