Turn Off Ads?
Page 2 of 8 FirstFirst 123456 ... LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 114

Thread: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

  1. #16
    Daffy Duck RedTeamGo!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Cleveland, OH
    Posts
    13,937

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    I think I would probably also not trade Greene myself either considering a couple things.

    For one, I think they’re going to need to develop one of these high end prospects into a superstar if they’re ever going to have a window bigger than a couple years.

    Two, Greene actually has looked good and developing pitching is starting to look like something this team is actually good at. Between Driveline and Johnson, I feel pretty good about Greene’s odds of panning out.
    Has he looked good? In 72.2 innings pitched? Career ERA in that very small sample of 5 and a WHIP of 1.349.

    Ehhhhhhhhhh

    I buy he could turn into something very special but he hasn’t really shown anything yet.
    What would you say.....ya do here?


  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #17
    Member mth123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    25,034

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    How about Hunter Greene and Jonathon India for Wander Franco? Who says no?
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

  4. #18
    Member Wonderful Monds's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    9,168

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    How about something with the primary pieces being Matt Chapman to the Reds and Senzel plus prospects to the A’s? I can’t remember if the A’s are Rays-level aggressive about selling off their guys, but Chapman is in his 2nd year of arb next year.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sheed View Post
    When it comes to crow, I'd like nothing more than to eat Dick's all season long and into the postseason.

  5. Likes:

    757690 (10-28-2020),RedTeamGo! (10-28-2020)

  6. #19
    Member Mitri's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    2,438

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    Reds should hang onto Greene. I doubt he makes huge difference in any trade this offseason anyway. If anything you shine him up and trade in a year.

  7. Likes:

    Revering4Blue (10-28-2020)

  8. #20
    Maple SERP savafan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2000
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    17,882

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    I was behind a flatbed truck moving a statue of Mr. Redlegs from the stadium to North I-71 this morning. I'll be interested to find out what we're getting in return for him.
    My dad got to enjoy 3 Reds World Championships by the time he was my age. So far, I've only gotten to enjoy one. Step it up Redlegs!

  9. #21
    Member 757690's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Dayton
    Posts
    25,670

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    How about something with the primary pieces being Matt Chapman to the Reds and Senzel plus prospects to the A’s? I can’t remember if the A’s are Rays-level aggressive about selling off their guys, but Chapman is in his 2nd year of arb next year.
    On top of being an elite player, Chapman is Rolenesque, in that he makes everyone else around him better. I’d be all over making Matt Chapman a Red.
    “We’re going to get the pitching.” -Bob Castellini
    “You got the pitching, now what?” - Reds fans

  10. Likes:

    Old school 1983 (10-28-2020)

  11. #22
    Member JaxRed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Jacksonville, FL
    Posts
    14,011

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Why?

    I honestly can’t figure this out. Greene is a lottery ticket. I know he is hyped, throws really hard, and could be special. On the flip his arm has already required TJ and he is about as unproven as prospects come. He has pitched a grand total of 72.2 innings since being drafted in 2017!

    Snell is a sure-fire cy young candidate (he already has one) controlled through 2023. He was a mega millions ticket that hit and made someone a multi millionaire.

    I get coveting prospects, but this would be a no-brainer.
    It's essentially a no-brainer the other way. The Rays are probably the most successful small market club. They do it by remembering who they are and how they operate. They acquire young cheap talent, They use them while they are cost efficient, and then trade them to a big market club when they start getting expensive, for more young cheap talent. It's how they can compete.

    This is exactly what they did with Chris Archer. They trade for Archer as a minor leaguer. He pitched for essentially league minimum for 3 years, then signed a back-loaded contract. As soon as it started getting expensive they traded him to Pirates for some great young, cheap talent.

    It went horribly bad for Pirates, because they forgot who they were. They gave up young cheap talent when they NEED cheap young talent. And took on a big salary. When a player from the Yankees underperforms, they pay his salary with the change that falls between the cushions. When Archer failed, it crippled the Pirates.

    We are the Rays. We are the Pirates. We can't afford to ship cheap talent for expensive talent.

    We need to milk the next 6 to 7 years of Hunter Greene, and then ship him off to the Dodgers/Yankees/Angels for a boatload of talent.

    I predict over the next 5 years Greene will be just as productive as Snell. For a fraction of the cost.
    Bud Selig: "I'm the worst commissioner ever"
    Rob Manfred: "Hold my beer"

  12. Likes:

    MikeS21 (10-29-2020),Rdirtypirates (10-29-2020),Revering4Blue (10-29-2020)

  13. #23
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Posts
    29,111

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    Reds could really use Matt Chapman - they only have two third basemen in their infield, why not three? If they move Castellanos to first base, as some suggest, they could have four.

    Of course, can always convert Suarez or Moose to OF to replace Senzel. Maybe an OF of Winker, Suarez, and Cast. Or brush off the Suarez to shortstop concept. Or maybe Suarez can do some catching.

    Reds also have a third baseman, India, in the minors. Add him too. Never have too many third basemen.
    Last edited by Kc61; 10-28-2020 at 05:16 PM.

  14. Likes:

    *BaseClogger* (10-29-2020),Mitri (10-28-2020)

  15. #24
    Knowledge Is Good Big Klu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    Cambridge, OH
    Posts
    28,524

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    It's essentially a no-brainer the other way. The Rays are probably the most successful small market club. They do it by remembering who they are and how they operate. They acquire young cheap talent, They use them while they are cost efficient, and then trade them to a big market club when they start getting expensive, for more young cheap talent. It's how they can compete.

    This is exactly what they did with Chris Archer. They trade for Archer as a minor leaguer. He pitched for essentially league minimum for 3 years, then signed a back-loaded contract. As soon as it started getting expensive they traded him to Pirates for some great young, cheap talent.

    It went horribly bad for Pirates, because they forgot who they were. They gave up young cheap talent when they NEED cheap young talent. And took on a big salary. When a player from the Yankees underperforms, they pay his salary with the change that falls between the cushions. When Archer failed, it crippled the Pirates.

    We are the Rays. We are the Pirates. We can't afford to ship cheap talent for expensive talent.

    We need to milk the next 6 to 7 years of Hunter Greene, and then ship him off to the Dodgers/Yankees/Angels for a boatload of talent.

    I predict over the next 5 years Greene will be just as productive as Snell. For a fraction of the cost.
    The Rays have one advantage that no other team in baseball has. They get absolutely no pushback at all from their fanbase whenever they trade a talented and established (but still youngish) player for more lottery tickets. Because they have no fanbase. They don't have to worry about pissing off the season ticket holders or the sponsors. Nobody cares about the Rays, so they can wheel and deal with impunity.
    Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman. Damn glad to meet ya.

  16. #25
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Posts
    29,111

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    Reds don’t have enough young talent on their team.

    Team is older, slower, bad defensively. Getting expensive.

    It’s time now to develop some kids and add them to the mix.

    I’d try to avoid trading top prospects for veterans at this point.
    Last edited by Kc61; 10-28-2020 at 05:23 PM.

  17. Likes:

    Chip R (10-30-2020)

  18. #26
    Member Mitri's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    2,438

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Reds don’t have enough young talent on their team.

    Team is older, slower, bad defensively. Getting expensive.

    It’s time now to develop some kids and add them to the mix.

    I’d try to avoid trading top prospects for veterans at this point.
    I mostly agree with you, but that's not the point of this thread Kc.

    I do think the Reds will be mindful not to jettison more athletic players considering their current makeup, but man it's really tempting to send Nick Senzel packing if the right deal comes along. Is a guy like Winker considered young anymore? He's a young player in an old body. I wouldn't but upset if they dealt either player, mostly because they already have in-house replacements for them ready to go.

    If the Reds aren't able to sign Bauer, I really like the Snell idea. And of course Senzel is a guy the Ray would snag and turn into a perennial all-star. But I am fine with the Reds doubling-down on SP and having 3 elite starters for the next 3 seasons.

    I'd like to see the Reds turn Jesse Winker and Raisel Iglesias into something magical, but I'm just not sure what that is.

  19. #27
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Posts
    29,111

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Reds don’t have enough young talent on their team.

    Team is older, slower, bad defensively. Getting expensive.

    It’s time now to develop some kids and add them to the mix.

    I’d try to avoid trading top prospects for veterans at this point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mitri View Post
    I mostly agree with you, but that's not the point of this thread Kc.

    I do think the Reds will be mindful not to jettison more athletic players considering their current makeup, but man it's really tempting to send Nick Senzel packing if the right deal comes along. Is a guy like Winker considered young anymore? He's a young player in an old body. I wouldn't but upset if they dealt either player, mostly because they already have in-house replacements for them ready to go.

    If the Reds aren't able to sign Bauer, I really like the Snell idea. And of course Senzel is a guy the Ray would snag and turn into a perennial all-star. But I am fine with the Reds doubling-down on SP and having 3 elite starters for the next 3 seasons.

    I'd like to see the Reds turn Jesse Winker and Raisel Iglesias into something magical, but I'm just not sure what that is.
    Point of the thread should be realistic trades that further Reds needs. Some I’ve read so far do not IMO.

    Me, I’m not trading the top farmhands unless it’s a heist. Reds are too old and slow. They need the top young kids to develop and don’t have many.

    Trading for another third baseman makes no sense to me unless one also deals with Suarez and Moose.

    Snell is very good pitcher but has had injury. Only threw over 130 innings once in his career. Wouldn’t trade Hunter Greene for him but another package, I’d listen.

    I’d trade Iglesias, yes, he’s “sell high.” Get a high level prospect, sure. Winker? Depends on NL DH rule. But if you trade him, better get a starting middle infielder who can hit and field.

    So yeah, there are deals that make sense for the Reds and are worth discussing.
    Last edited by Kc61; 10-28-2020 at 07:24 PM.

  20. Likes:

    CincyRed44 (10-29-2020),Revering4Blue (10-28-2020)

  21. #28
    Member Wonderful Monds's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    9,168

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Point of the thread should be realistic trades that further Reds needs. Some I’ve read so far do not IMO.

    Me, I’m not trading the top farmhands unless it’s a heist. Reds are too old and slow. They need the top young kids to develop and don’t have many.

    Trading for another third baseman makes no sense to me unless one also deals with Suarez and Moose.

    Snell is very good pitcher but has had injury. Only threw over 130 innings once in his career. Wouldn’t trade Hunter Greene for him but another package, I’d listen.

    I’d trade Iglesias, yes, he’s “sell high.” Get a high level prospect, sure. Winker? Depends on NL DH rule. But if you trade him, better get a starting middle infielder who can hit and field.

    So yeah, there are deals that make sense for the Reds and are worth discussing.
    Hey if you came into the “Slobberknocker” thread looking for realistic trade ideas, that’s on you pal
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sheed View Post
    When it comes to crow, I'd like nothing more than to eat Dick's all season long and into the postseason.

  22. Likes:

    alwaysawarrior (10-29-2020),Red Raindog (10-29-2020),WrongVerb (10-28-2020)

  23. #29
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Posts
    29,111

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Hey if you came into the “Slobberknocker” thread looking for realistic trade ideas, that’s on you pal
    Probably true, yup.

  24. #30
    Member tripleaaaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Fort Thomas, KY
    Posts
    687

    Re: 2021 Offseason Slobberknockers

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Best case scenario for Greene is that he becomes as good as Snell. You have more years of control with Greene, but so much uncertainty.
    This. Greene only hopes to be Snell one day. And I highly doubt he ever reaches this level.
    ___________________
    Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ~Bull Durham


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | cumberlandreds | Gallen5862 | Kinsm | Plus Plus | Powel Crosley | RedlegJake | The Operator