I suspect the same could be said about the sudden concern for child development and well-being. Where's the outrage when funding for public schools is slashed, kids are separated from their parents at the border, no preschool, no SNAP, no school lunch, no PPE for schools, crappy children's healthcare?Originally Posted by RedTeamGo!
"In our sundown perambulations of late, through the outer parts of Brooklyn, we have observed several parties of youngsters playing 'base', a certain game of ball. Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms, the game of ball is glorious"
-Walt Whitman
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Precisely. The same people I know who are freaking out about schools closing are the same exact people who vote against school budget increases. It’s rather telling IMO.
I have an (Ex)friend that literally used to call elementary school teachers “babysitters.” Same exact person now says “but what about the children???” On Facebook all the time now.
What would you say.....ya do here?
While that's fair, those of us who are able to stay home without loss of income, or do have to leave the house for work but don't want to take any undue risks otherwise, aren't under any obligation to patronize those opened businesses either when it's unsafe to do so. And that's not because of a shutdown, it's because the country is currently exploding with virus. And if the virus continues to spread as badly as it is with no shutdown, that concern will only increase, meaning even less business. I'm not sure how that is a workable economic strategy.
And I'm sure someone will say their corner bar is always packed, well a) your anecdote is quite obviously not the typical case, so not really relevant to an overall policy debate, and b) let's see how packed it stays once a superspreader (inevitably) joins the crowd one night.
Obviously none of us are putting the blame on people trying to pay the bills, that's absurd. But the "damn the torpedoes" policy is unfathomly stupid, and especially shortsighted if the priority is the economy. There is simply no way for the economy to do well during the pandemic, and the current policy is only prolonging the misery -- and deepening it.
It's really sad and sometimes unbelievable what is happening. I've been donating to the food bank to try to make myself feel better. Like with healthcare, it's gonna come down to the "GoFundMe" strategy since the government treats its people like cattle.
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Absolutely nailed it
What would you say.....ya do here?
This has always been a simple proposition. As the virus spreads like wildfire and the death total spikes (happening right now) things are going to get shut down. As has been noted multiple times, even if you try to declare everything open people aren't going to go. Life during the deadliest virus in a century is anathema to conducting a high volume, low margin business. So the federal government is going to have to step up and compensate the people who can't work because the disease is off the hook. The shutdowns are going to happen regardless.
The argument to the contrary has always been pointless (and, yes, a bit ghoulish because it's pretty easy to math out the rapid rise in needless deaths if we let this thing get to a full sprint). We don't have to open up and we aren't going to. The disease has always been the horse and the economy has always been the cart.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
Literally not true. People citing fictional suicide numbers is way up in the U.S. All indications are the suicide rate remains unchanged.
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I'm not a system player. I am a system.
Yet the government is not doing that.
So given that the government is not paying people so they can pay their bills and is not suspending mortgage payments do you still want to close things down? Because that’s where we are. Closing things down without helping people pay the bills.
I understand that the virus is surging and things are going to be shut down.
But the high and mighty view of “I believe things should shut down while the government supports us financially” just isn’t grounded in reality. At least today it is not.
I’m in the gray area by the way, I’m not saying just proceed with business as usual. Just need to put that out there.
That is what I've seen too. I haven't been harping on suicide rates.
Yeah we’re in a lose-lose situation at this point. Obviously we should get a stimulus and shut things down again for a while, but it’s also obvious that’s not going to happen.
Really sucks to live in this country right about now.
The government is currently helping people out of work because of Covid shutdowns. There is unemployment payments for them and a moratorium on evictions currently. This does run out on December 31, so something does need to be done before then, but it’s not like people out of work because of Covid shutdowns aren’t receiving any help from the government right now.
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It doesn't matter what I want because I have zero power to decide.
What I want is to do all that we can to minimize people dying. That's first and foremost. I've got some, what I like to call, finance bros, that are in my circle of friends who are so worried about the economics side of things leading to other problems down the line that they basically ignore the number of dead people we've had over the last 8 months. And I'm not even going to argue that - yes, that's a problem in it's own right. But it's also a problem down the line with time that *maybe* we could address and fix before we get there. What we can't fix is dead people. There's no bringing them back or fixing that problem. When you are dead, you are dead. So from where I stand, keeping people from dying is and should be the absolute #1 priority over anything else. Once it's done, it's done and there's no fixing it.
I don't have all of the answers. I just have ideas that don't matter because I have zero power to do anything other than write some checks to food banks and hope it goes as far as possible because they can buy in bulk and get it to people that need it. Beyond that, I can't do much.
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There's sort of a moratorium on evictions, but evictions are absolutely happening all over the country right now.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ic/6284752002/
I'd argue at best things are treading water right now in the broad sense as far as unemployment and mortgages go...but with every shift towards "closing down" there needs to be at minimum an equal shift towards "government assistance" and while I could be wrong, I'm just not seeing that.
I can't sort it out at the moment but a Google News Search of "COVID evictions" shows that it isn't all rosy on the mortgage/eviction front...and I'd say that's going to get worse.
I agree much more needs to be done and people are suffering economically because of the shutdown. But I wanted to make clear that there is something being done and push back on this narrative that there are shutdowns and nothing being done to help those affected by it.
Hoping to change my username to 75769024
I heard this dirty joke back in March and it is the most accurate description of the United States I’ve heard in some time:
COVID-19 is an ultraviolet light and the United States is a **semen** covered hotel room.
**changed the word**
What would you say.....ya do here?
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By the way, Pfizer applied for their emergency use authorization today? It’s going to take three weeks for the FDA to meet and approve that.
That is absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable. Probably tens of thousands of people are going to die because of nonsense red tape BS. The NHS has been doing preliminary reviews this whole time over in Britain and supposedly will approve it next week, there’s zero reason why it should take this long.
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