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    2021 HOF Ballot

    Just in case anyone wants to discuss

    Tomorrow Nov. 16: The 2021 Hall of Fame ballot will be released. Just the ballot will be announced. The voting results and 2021 Hall of Fame class will be revealed at a later date.
    This is year nine of 10 on the ballot for Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and Curt Schilling. It's a down year for first-timers, with Mark Buehrle and Torii Hunter representing the top players scheduled to join the ballot.

    Heres a link for the Potential 2021 BBWAA Ballot
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/a...hof_2021.shtml
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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    I think Schilling finally gets in. At some point, you've got to take personal feelings/politics out of it. He's arguably the greatest postseason SP of all-time and should have been in long ago.

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    I usually wait until after Thanksgiving to post the annual board poll....but discussion at any time is welcome.

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Torii Hunter is an interesting case, now that Harold Baines is in the HOF. I'm also interested in how undervalued Jeff Kent has been. Dude was the best 2B in the game for a time and among the best for a decade plus. His career numbers are exceptional, and he was sure-handed (relatively) if not wide of range. 5 All-Star berths, four Silver Sluggers, an MVP-- and one of the five or six best 2B in the history of the game when he retired.

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Coopdaddy67 View Post
    I think Schilling finally gets in. At some point, you've got to take personal feelings/politics out of it. He's arguably the greatest postseason SP of all-time and should have been in long ago.
    Schilling may be the only entry.
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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Baseball has an interesting dilemma on its hands. In light of the confirmed cheating by the Astros and the consequences (...or lack there of), we'll see what happens with Bonds and Clemens.

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Appears to be slim pickings this year. Unless you are ready to vote in Bonds and Clemons. They have one more year left to be on the ballot so I would prefer to let them dangle in the wind one more year. I would vote Schilling and Vizquel this time around.
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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    While the 2021 ballot announced Monday features former All-Stars such as Torii Hunter, Tim Hudson, Mark Buehrle and Barry Zito, none of its first-timers is an obvious Hall of Famer. The crowded crush of Cooperstown-caliber cases that voting members of the Baseball Writers’ Association of America were presented with in recent years has cleared, and that creates breathing room -- and potentially large percentage increases -- for the ballot’s hopeful holdovers, notably Curt Schilling, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Omar Vizquel.

    BBWAA voters, who have addressed the ballot congestion by voting in 13 players in the past four years, must submit their votes by year’s end. The results will be revealed on Tuesday, Jan. 26, on MLB Network.
    https://www.mlb.com/news/2021-hall-o...llot-announced

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    I've never got the sentiment that Schilling is a HOFer. He's in my hall of very good, but his numbers mostly parallel those of non-HOFers. I mean, if you push for Schilling to go into the HoF, then you've got to push for player X as well...

    Curt Schilling:
    Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
    20 Yrs 216 146 .597 3.46 569 436 81 83 20 22 3261.0 2998 1318 1253 347 711 43 3116 52 8 72 13284 127 3.23 1.137 8.3 1.0 2.0 8.6 4.38

    Player X
    Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
    19 Yrs 211 144 .594 3.28 486 476 1 72 17 0 3256.1 3079 1357 1185 208 901 42 2397 139 15 108 13542 127 3.33 1.222 8.5 0.6 2.5 6.6 2.66

    Player X is Kevin Brown
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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Curt Schilling, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds are the leading candidates returning to the ballot in a year without any favorites among the new candidates.

    Schilling was third behind Derek Jeter and Larry Walker with 278 of 397 votes last year, finishing at 70% and 20 votes shy in balloting by the Baseball Writers' Association of America.

    Clemens had 242 votes for 61% and Bonds 241 for 60.7%, both well short of the 75% needed, which was 298 votes last year. Both were overwhelming favorites before suspicions of steroids use.

    Clemens has denied using performance-enhancing drugs, and Bonds says he never knowingly took performance-enhancing drugs.
    https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/11/16/ba...ter-tim-hudson

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Check out bios of all 25 candidates here:

    https://baseballhall.org/discover/20...e-bbwaa-ballot
    Last edited by Ron Madden; 11-16-2020 at 02:51 PM.

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongVerb View Post
    I've never got the sentiment that Schilling is a HOFer. He's in my hall of very good, but his numbers mostly parallel those of non-HOFers. I mean, if you push for Schilling to go into the HoF, then you've got to push for player X as well...

    Curt Schilling:
    Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
    20 Yrs 216 146 .597 3.46 569 436 81 83 20 22 3261.0 2998 1318 1253 347 711 43 3116 52 8 72 13284 127 3.23 1.137 8.3 1.0 2.0 8.6 4.38

    Player X
    Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
    19 Yrs 211 144 .594 3.28 486 476 1 72 17 0 3256.1 3079 1357 1185 208 901 42 2397 139 15 108 13542 127 3.33 1.222 8.5 0.6 2.5 6.6 2.66

    Player X is Kevin Brown
    Schilling has some really good numbers in the post season. That can be the tipping point sometimes for a borderline player.


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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by cumberlandreds View Post
    Schilling has some really good numbers in the post season. That can be the tipping point sometimes for a borderline player.


    https://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/S/Pschic002.htm
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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    My ballot;

    1. Barry Bonds
    Yes, he cheated. Put that on the plaque. He still belongs in the Hall.

    2. Roger Clemens
    See entry #1.

    3. Sammy Sosa
    See first two entries.

    4. Scott Rolen
    One of the top five or six 3B of all time. Great player. Great teammate.

    5. Jeff Kent
    One of the top 10 2B to ever play the game. Easy call, IMO.

    6. Manny Ramirez
    How is he not in yet? One of the most feared sluggers in the game for more than a decade. 150+ wRC+. Easy call.

    7. Gary Sheffield
    See Ramirez, Manny. When your most similar hitter is Chipper Jones, you should be in the Hall. Sheffield was one of the guys I feared at the plate.

    8. Todd Helton
    This is a tough call. The good defense (even at a poor position) helps. So does the batting title. In the end, he's a close call who just squeaks in. (He's this Gen X's Tony Perez.)

    Next in line, for me, was Schilling, who, IMO, just misses. He's better than some who've been enshrined, but not at the level I'd want for my Hall. He'll make it in, of course. The narrative around the bloody sock is likely too strong and masks some of his pedestrian numbers.

    Andruw Jones was also a hard call-- dominant for a decade, then he fell off the cliff. Bobby Abreu, Andy Pettitte, and Billy Wagner fell just short as well.

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongVerb View Post
    I've never got the sentiment that Schilling is a HOFer. He's in my hall of very good, but his numbers mostly parallel those of non-HOFers. I mean, if you push for Schilling to go into the HoF, then you've got to push for player X as well...

    Curt Schilling:
    Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
    20 Yrs 216 146 .597 3.46 569 436 81 83 20 22 3261.0 2998 1318 1253 347 711 43 3116 52 8 72 13284 127 3.23 1.137 8.3 1.0 2.0 8.6 4.38

    Player X
    Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
    19 Yrs 211 144 .594 3.28 486 476 1 72 17 0 3256.1 3079 1357 1185 208 901 42 2397 139 15 108 13542 127 3.33 1.222 8.5 0.6 2.5 6.6 2.66

    Player X is Kevin Brown
    I’ve seen strong cases for Kevin Brown.

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