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    2021 HOF Ballot

    Just in case anyone wants to discuss

    Tomorrow Nov. 16: The 2021 Hall of Fame ballot will be released. Just the ballot will be announced. The voting results and 2021 Hall of Fame class will be revealed at a later date.
    This is year nine of 10 on the ballot for Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and Curt Schilling. It's a down year for first-timers, with Mark Buehrle and Torii Hunter representing the top players scheduled to join the ballot.

    Heres a link for the Potential 2021 BBWAA Ballot
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/a...hof_2021.shtml
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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    I think Schilling finally gets in. At some point, you've got to take personal feelings/politics out of it. He's arguably the greatest postseason SP of all-time and should have been in long ago.

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Coopdaddy67 View Post
    I think Schilling finally gets in. At some point, you've got to take personal feelings/politics out of it. He's arguably the greatest postseason SP of all-time and should have been in long ago.
    Schilling may be the only entry.
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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    I usually wait until after Thanksgiving to post the annual board poll....but discussion at any time is welcome.

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Torii Hunter is an interesting case, now that Harold Baines is in the HOF. I'm also interested in how undervalued Jeff Kent has been. Dude was the best 2B in the game for a time and among the best for a decade plus. His career numbers are exceptional, and he was sure-handed (relatively) if not wide of range. 5 All-Star berths, four Silver Sluggers, an MVP-- and one of the five or six best 2B in the history of the game when he retired.

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Baseball has an interesting dilemma on its hands. In light of the confirmed cheating by the Astros and the consequences (...or lack there of), we'll see what happens with Bonds and Clemens.

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Appears to be slim pickings this year. Unless you are ready to vote in Bonds and Clemons. They have one more year left to be on the ballot so I would prefer to let them dangle in the wind one more year. I would vote Schilling and Vizquel this time around.
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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    While the 2021 ballot announced Monday features former All-Stars such as Torii Hunter, Tim Hudson, Mark Buehrle and Barry Zito, none of its first-timers is an obvious Hall of Famer. The crowded crush of Cooperstown-caliber cases that voting members of the Baseball Writers’ Association of America were presented with in recent years has cleared, and that creates breathing room -- and potentially large percentage increases -- for the ballot’s hopeful holdovers, notably Curt Schilling, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Omar Vizquel.

    BBWAA voters, who have addressed the ballot congestion by voting in 13 players in the past four years, must submit their votes by year’s end. The results will be revealed on Tuesday, Jan. 26, on MLB Network.
    https://www.mlb.com/news/2021-hall-o...llot-announced

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    I've never got the sentiment that Schilling is a HOFer. He's in my hall of very good, but his numbers mostly parallel those of non-HOFers. I mean, if you push for Schilling to go into the HoF, then you've got to push for player X as well...

    Curt Schilling:
    Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
    20 Yrs 216 146 .597 3.46 569 436 81 83 20 22 3261.0 2998 1318 1253 347 711 43 3116 52 8 72 13284 127 3.23 1.137 8.3 1.0 2.0 8.6 4.38

    Player X
    Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
    19 Yrs 211 144 .594 3.28 486 476 1 72 17 0 3256.1 3079 1357 1185 208 901 42 2397 139 15 108 13542 127 3.33 1.222 8.5 0.6 2.5 6.6 2.66

    Player X is Kevin Brown
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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongVerb View Post
    I've never got the sentiment that Schilling is a HOFer. He's in my hall of very good, but his numbers mostly parallel those of non-HOFers. I mean, if you push for Schilling to go into the HoF, then you've got to push for player X as well...

    Curt Schilling:
    Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
    20 Yrs 216 146 .597 3.46 569 436 81 83 20 22 3261.0 2998 1318 1253 347 711 43 3116 52 8 72 13284 127 3.23 1.137 8.3 1.0 2.0 8.6 4.38

    Player X
    Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
    19 Yrs 211 144 .594 3.28 486 476 1 72 17 0 3256.1 3079 1357 1185 208 901 42 2397 139 15 108 13542 127 3.33 1.222 8.5 0.6 2.5 6.6 2.66

    Player X is Kevin Brown
    Schilling has some really good numbers in the post season. That can be the tipping point sometimes for a borderline player.


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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by cumberlandreds View Post
    Schilling has some really good numbers in the post season. That can be the tipping point sometimes for a borderline player.


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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongVerb View Post
    I've never got the sentiment that Schilling is a HOFer. He's in my hall of very good, but his numbers mostly parallel those of non-HOFers. I mean, if you push for Schilling to go into the HoF, then you've got to push for player X as well...

    Curt Schilling:
    Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
    20 Yrs 216 146 .597 3.46 569 436 81 83 20 22 3261.0 2998 1318 1253 347 711 43 3116 52 8 72 13284 127 3.23 1.137 8.3 1.0 2.0 8.6 4.38

    Player X
    Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
    19 Yrs 211 144 .594 3.28 486 476 1 72 17 0 3256.1 3079 1357 1185 208 901 42 2397 139 15 108 13542 127 3.33 1.222 8.5 0.6 2.5 6.6 2.66

    Player X is Kevin Brown
    I’ve seen strong cases for Kevin Brown.

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    "Bonds says he never knowingly took performance-enhancing drugs."

    If this is the case, the only HOF he should be in is dumbest person alive.

    Omar Vizquel and Scott Rolen would be on my ballot, and that's it.

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    My top 4

    1) Omar Vizquel
    2) Manny Ramirez
    3) Gary Sheffield
    4) Curt Schilling

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    Re: 2021 HOF Ballot

    Curt Schilling, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds are the leading candidates returning to the ballot in a year without any favorites among the new candidates.

    Schilling was third behind Derek Jeter and Larry Walker with 278 of 397 votes last year, finishing at 70% and 20 votes shy in balloting by the Baseball Writers' Association of America.

    Clemens had 242 votes for 61% and Bonds 241 for 60.7%, both well short of the 75% needed, which was 298 votes last year. Both were overwhelming favorites before suspicions of steroids use.

    Clemens has denied using performance-enhancing drugs, and Bonds says he never knowingly took performance-enhancing drugs.
    https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/11/16/ba...ter-tim-hudson


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