Reds acquiring Jeff Hoffman and Case Williams from the Rockies for Robert Stephenson

[Benihana]

the next guy hoffman

Loved Guy Hoffman

[Benihana]

Would Jake Arrieta be a better comp developmental arch wise?

He always had "Stuff" but little idea what to do with.

Was a trainwreck in the majors and very medicore in AAA until switching organizaions and "randomly" became an elite pitcher at age 28. Similar story of being stuck in a directionless organization with little ability to develop pitchers. Colorado is a better organization than Baltimore was at the time, however, Colorado's atmosphere is a unique challenge that not everyone is able to overcome.

We definitely cant expect or even see Arrieta as a realistic outcome, but there are many levels beneath that which could be successful for a guy with Hoffman's talents.

I love buying low on post-hype sleepers. Love it. No problem with this trade.

But let’s just say Arrieta had some other “things” going on that allowed him to suddenly put it all together with the Cubs.

[757690]

Krall seems to throw cold water on the Gray trade talks.

The Reds have listened to offers for Sonny Gray, as The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal first reported, but Krall seemed to pump the brakes on those trade rumors Wednesday.

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“We’ve had multiple conversations with every team, agents for free agents, all that stuff, and you’re just trying to figure out what is out there, how can you make your team the best,” Krall said. “We’ve had hits on just about every player on our roster. Some guys have had 15 hits from different clubs and people ask about it. You’re going to ask about it because you want to know, at least, who is available, who is not available and what the landscape of that market looks like.

“Whether you’re doing something or not is a whole different ballgame. I think that’s where we have to take a step back and look at this and say, OK, let’s see what is available, let’s see what is not available and then let’s figure out what makes the most sense for our team moving forward.”

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/spo...rs/6431552002/

[PuffyPig]

He has a really good chance to be a “potential” starter.

LOL, what does that even mean?


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[Bourgeois Zee]

He has a really good chance to be a “potential” starter.

LOL, what does that even mean?

He's a fungible arm.

[Bruce Berenyi]

It means the same as if he drops a ball it has potential to reach the ground thats what Manager Isaac Newton proclaimed

[dfs]

Homer Bailey?

When I saw Bailey in the minors he always seemed to struggle. Cingrani never made it to Dayton. I'm don't see all the games at 5/3 and if I saw Cueto, he didn't particularly impress me.

I saw BobSteve several times at Dayton and he just blew the other side away. It was a man among boys type thing. He was so good that even with only a "show me" breaking ball he made the other side look silly. In retrospect the fact that he couldn't get his curve over the plate was a huge flashing warning sign. By the time he really figured out the curve ball, his fast ball wasn't the same pitch.

[Ron Madden]

Craig Mish @CraigMish

One of the more fascinating free agents is SP Dan Straily. Compiled 200 K in one of the most dominant KBO seasons ever. Several MLB teams in on him. Reds, Giants, Angels, among them. Will decide between pitching in the US or Korea next week. Per sources.

[malcontent]

the next guy hoffman

I had some hope for that guy. 5'9" lefty? Could have been Freddie Norman II, just without the fastball or screwball.

[Bruce Berenyi]

he was another doug capilla

[JaxRed]

Strailly would be interesting. We'd really win the trade.

[Griffey012]

I don't know if it has been touched on or not in this thread, but I didn't realize Hoffman had so much team control left. Not a FA until 2025.

[HokieRed]

I don't know if it has been touched on or not in this thread, but I didn't realize Hoffman had so much team control left. Not a FA until 2025.

I saw this and it made me think of the extra gain in years in the Iglesias for Ramirez trade. Ramirez: 2024. Building out longer stability? Is there a theme here?

[M2]

I saw this and it made me think of the extra gain in years in the Iglesias for Ramirez trade. Ramirez: 2024. Building out longer stability? Is there a theme here?

They've explicitly stated they wanted more guys with options to give them roster flexibility.

[westofyou]

They've explicitly stated they wanted more guys with options to give them roster flexibility.

Losing guys on waivers that you can't replace (cause you ain't spending money) is a poor way to do business