Doesn't player role tell what team management wanted out of the deal?Originally Posted by JFLegal
Doesn't player role tell what team management wanted out of the deal?
M2 (12-02-2020)
There’s moving parts to all these trades guys. Everyone is in them for a reason.
Gray and Downs don’t get moved to LA unless Bailey’s salary is dumped with them.
The argument of last season was how awful it was that Moss got thrown into the deal.
The problem isn't trading Jeter Downs and Josiah Gray. The problem is that both are noteworthy because how bad this organization has been at drafting and developing players. Neither guy is exactly a generational talent.
Not a problem for me. Was just showing how trades are put together.
The Puig trade is bemoaned as we "gave up" Gray and Downs to get him. But that trade doesn't happen if Bailey isn't pushed onto them.
Right, the whole trade was about using Bailey’s salary slot for more production.
But it does show, as a general matter, that trading prospects for short-term veterans is high risk. Other than Farmer, everyone is gone - Bailey, Downs, Gray, Puig, Wood.
Fair to say Puig contributed to the Bauer trade, but that too was a good prospect for a one year player. And now THAT prospect (Trammel) and the veteran will both likely be gone by 2021.
Bauer was so great last year that maybe it was all worth it. But it’s a very tough way to build unless you have the cash to keep signing more expensive vets.
Last edited by Kc61; 12-02-2020 at 09:47 AM.
Are you going to pay attention to what they do or the voices in your head?
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
The Bauer trade also shows how there really isn’t a thing as a “good prospect” outside of a few guys each year. Taylor Trammell turned out to be a bad prospect. So, the reds got a cy young award winning pitcher for 2 months of Puig, a bad prospect, and Scott Moss.
What would you say.....ya do here?
The problem is that it’s not always clear which good prospects will succeed. Gray and Downs were around 9 or 10 on the Reds’ list and they now both seem much better that that. Trammel was higher and he’s fallen down.
The best thing is to have a deep farm so that, if you make a mistake, there’s another candidate in waiting.
As Reds have sought more veterans, their prospect depth has been reduced. Need to build it up again so Reds can use guys in trades and still have plenty to promote as need be.
Last edited by Kc61; 12-02-2020 at 09:56 AM.
Downs and Gray SEEM like that. They could both easily come up to the majors and stink.
As an aging fan I’m kind of tired of chasing the dragon that is hoarding prospects. I’d rather have Trevor Bauer, Trevor Story, Francisco Lindor, etc.
If India and Lodolo becomes studs for other teams, great.
What would you say.....ya do here?
Trading guys like Downs or Gray is a non-issue if you don’t have a development system that struggles to consistently churn out good prospects and young major leaguers the way the Reds have for most of the last decade.
There are good prospects all the time.
Tejay Antone is shaping up to be the real impact prospect this year. With Trammell the Reds just identified who to give up correctly.
Half of our team is homegrown with some value, which is kind of baffling considering we made just terrible picks in the draft from 2011-2014.
The reds aren’t good enough now to trade young assets for SS
They’ll need to buy one.
If they hadn’t traded, drafted and rebuilt miserably in the last 6 years; maybe they’d be able to dump more young talent for a ss upgrade.
Obviously there are good prospects, but I am referring to hyped up “good” prospects. Antone was a nobody 2-3 years ago with regard to prospect hype.
I am still waiting for Dallas McPherson to be the next great power hitter.
What would you say.....ya do here?
8 new pages of posts since I last checked and 95% of them about the 2019 Bauer deal. I feel bamboozled.
What I'd really love to see is LA go and get Lindor then flip Seager to Cincy. Seager is a FA after next year too but he isn't likely getting near what Lindor would cost and I can't see LA carrying Mookie and Lindors deals and paying a premium for Seager and moving him off SS. I'd love to see a 3 team deal where Lindor goes to LA and Seager ends up in Cincinnati.
M2 (12-02-2020)
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