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    Re: Covid-19, Part XX

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    Larkin can correct me if I'm wrong, but surfaces are still a factor. Hand washing is one of the biggest ways to keep yourself safe from ANY virus/bacteria. As far as it being airborne, technically its not. Its a droplet precaution. Yes, when you cough it out of your mouth, it doesn't stay airborne for long, hence the 6 foot social distancing. Its a fairly heavy droplet, so it falls to this surfaces fairly quick.
    Both of those things are thought to be incorrect and have been so since like late summer, that’s what I mean.

    It’s not thought to survive well on surfaces at this point, last I read there were not actually any confirmed cases of fomite transmission.

    Meanwhile, it is actually thought to be airborne and doesn’t just spread in your 6 foot radius by large droplets. It’s also aerosolized. That’s why eating indoors at restaurants is so high risk even with social distancing, because it becomes aerosolized and can infect anyone in the same room given enough time.

    Most of the public still believes that sanitizing surfaces and 6 foot distancing are the most important things in the world and that it kind of ends there, basically the common knowledge we had back in April or May. But there’s been a lot of new information added to that in the months since.

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    Re: Covid-19, Part XX

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Both of those things are thought to be incorrect and have been so since like late summer, that’s what I mean.

    It’s not thought to survive well on surfaces at this point, last I read there were not actually any confirmed cases of fomite transmission.

    Meanwhile, it is actually thought to be airborne and doesn’t just spread in your 6 foot radius by large droplets. It’s also aerosolized. That’s why eating indoors at restaurants is so high risk even with social distancing, because it becomes aerosolized and can infect anyone in the same room given enough time.

    Most of the public still believes that sanitizing surfaces and 6 foot distancing are the most important things in the world and that it kind of ends there, basically the common knowledge we had back in April or May. But there’s been a lot of new information added to that in the months since.
    Yep, it’s why indoor dining and gyms need to be shut down 4 weeks ago.
    What would you say.....ya do here?

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    Re: Covid-19, Part XX

    Canada has approved the Pfizer vaccine.

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    Canada has approved the Pfizer vaccine.
    What's faster than warp speed, eh?
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    Re: Covid-19, Part XX

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    What's fast than warp speed, eh?
    Ludicrous speed of course.

    You teed that up for me...shoutout to Canada’s own Rick Moranis.

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    Re: Covid-19, Part XX

    The daily U.S. death total cracked 3,000 for the first time today.
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    Re: Covid-19, Part XX

    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin Fan View Post
    as well as similar rates in white, black and latino populations.
    This is a curious observation.

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    All onboard the de-regulation express.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...to-try/561770/

    In fact it’s unclear if the law will save a single life, especially when weighed against how many lives it could shorten. There’s no way to know, and that is exactly the point. The law allows pharmaceutical companies to provide medications to patients that have not been tested for effectiveness, and with only minimal evidence of safety. On the long list of ways the United States could improve access to quality health care—including affordable, safe, effective medication—nowhere does “right to try” appear.

    It is rather a step in the wrong direction, but one that is easy to misrepresent and to sell as good. Typically only drugs that have been deemed safe and effective by the Food and Drug Administration, based on three-phase clinical trials, can be sold to patients. “Right to try” allows that process to be circumvented—though in news coverage this often receives a more congratulatory slant. CNBC announced that Trump’s signature would “allow gravely ill patients to bypass [the] FDA for experimental treatment.” As The Washington Post said, it “[gives] desperately ill patients the opportunity to receive promising experimental drugs that do not yet have FDA approval.” This is much the same as Trump’s own words: “These are experimental treatments and products that have shown great promise, and we weren’t able to use them before. Now we can use them.”

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    Hospitalizations Up: Covid Apocolypse.

    Hospitalizations Down: More Apocolypse.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...ates-dropping/

    Many Americans take for granted that we can get health care when we need it. Access and coverage are real concerns for some, yet even the most vulnerable among us know that if they are severely ill, there will be an emergency room and a hospital bed ready for them. But now the coronavirus pandemic is distorting our system in ways that are affecting everyone’s ability to get hospital care.

    The virus is beginning to overrun our health-care defenses. We saw something similar during the first surge, in April, when New York and other cities around the United States resorted to field hospitals and mobile morgues. But this time, it is happening in large parts of the country. And counterintuitively, the reason we know covid-19 is overwhelming the system is because of what might look like a good sign at first glance: The hospitalization rate for patients with the virus is dropping quickly.

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    Swedish All-Cause Mortality less than 2019.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ber-of-deaths/

    What a disaster.

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    Re: Covid-19, Part XX

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    Swedish All-Cause Mortality less than 2019.


    What a disaster.
    I can’t get behind this post. The year isn’t over yet and that shows that Sweden has just about matched last years deaths with 3-4 weeks to go.

    From a link on that page.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ths-in-sweden/

    7000-plus deaths due to COVID.

    Let’s view the same site when it’s 2020 death numbers are complete and finalized.

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    Re: Covid-19, Part XX

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I will absolutely get it ASAP. Good lord anti-vaxxers give me a headache.
    Anti-vaxx as a blanket term is stupid.. I'm not anti-medicine, but I recognize that a lot of medicines are dangerous and pushed by pharma-pocketed doctors.

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    Re: Covid-19, Part XX

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I can’t get behind this post. The year isn’t over yet and that shows that Sweden has just about matched last years deaths with 3-4 weeks to go.

    From a link on that page.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ths-in-sweden/

    7000-plus deaths due to COVID.

    Let’s view the same site when it’s 2020 death numbers are complete and finalized.
    The early spring deaths of people who weren't long for this world mean less deaths late in the year.

    I mean it's terrible that people didn't get that extra six months.

    What's also terrible is traumatiing chlldren and youth.

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    Re: Covid-19, Part XX

    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    The early spring deaths of people who weren't long for this world mean less deaths late in the year.

    I mean it's terrible that people didn't get that extra six months.

    What's also terrible is traumatiing chlldren and youth.

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    I’m willing to listen to an argument of “years lost” of the actual dead versus any other consequences of things. But that’s not what your post above showed at all. It was just the death count of Sweden in 2020 to-date vs the 2019 to total death count.

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    Re: Covid-19, Part XX

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I’m willing to listen to an argument of “years lost” of the actual dead versus any other consequences of things. But that’s not what your post above showed at all. It was just the death count of Sweden in 2020 to-date vs the 2019 to total death count.
    It's not years lost, it's months lost.

    I mean say, a elder-killing flu hits in January instead of December, shouldn't we consider that when comparing years?
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