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    Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    Owners talking about banning the shift.
    The author doesn't think they should.
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    One of the very first things Commissioner Rob Manfred said in an interview upon taking over the job was that he wanted to ban defensive shifts.
    Instead, per this article by Andy McCullough in The Athletic, a ban of the infield defensive shift is being considered, and one way it could be put into the rule book would be to require that two infielders would have to be on each side of second base — or even force them to play on the dirt. I’m not sure how you’d enforce that. Fielders could line up that way and move when a pitch is made.
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    Re: Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    I wouldn’t do a total ban. But limiting the shift would be good thing if you ask me. I think it takes away more from the game than it adds. Maybe come up with a solution where the shift or other dramatic defensive realignment is only allowable in certain in game situations.

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    Re: Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    From an x's and o'x standpoint I wouldn't be in favor of this, but I get that they are thinking of it from the entertainment/watchability angle of the game.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    I'm completely against this. Positioning of fielders should be purely a matter of strategy. If they want to line them all up down the right field line, that should be the team's prerogative. 9 players on the field, one to pitch. That should be the extent of the prescription. Let the rest of the structure/strategy develop from the goals of the game itself, not from some enlightened ideas of entertainment moguls.

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    Re: Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    I still think its up to the hitters to adjust. Just quit swinging for the fences every time up and try to go opposite field at least once or twice a game. If most did this those shifts would uh..shift back. So mark me down as as a no on this one.
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    Re: Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    Hell yes. Finally a good idea from these jabronis.

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    Re: Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    It’s not so simple to just go the other way when every pitcher can bust you in on the hands with high 90s heat. An adjustment to the shift is needed, otherwise we’re just going to sink deeper into three true outcomes ball.

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    Re: Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    Starting it in the minors would be a good test. Definitely think it would help the game if there was more incentive to put the bat on the ball and not swing for the fences every time. Anything to have fewer strikeouts and to help out lefty hitters a little bit would make the game more enjoyable.

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    Re: Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    The article gets it wrong in the sense that it uses the tired "learn to hit the other way" argument. Number one, with half of everyone's pitching staff throwing 98-plus, it's physically impossible to do so. Number two, hitters aren't being told to do that, because hitting the ball hard with lift leads to homers which are immune to the shift. This is an Ivy League business school front office league now. If it's more efficient to swing from the heels, that's what teams are going to keep telling guys to do, because their job is to score runs and win, not play aesthetically-pleasing or entertaining baseball.

    Deadening the ball is an interesting idea but it might completely kill scoring if pitchers can still throw 100 all the time. Someone in the comments suggests calling the strike zone like in the rulebook. In a vacuum I think that's good, but it would be interesting to see the impact of this, because while it would lead to more balls in play it might depress scoring even more.

    I'm glad a problem has been recognized, and I'm glad it isn't my job to fix it, because I'm not sure what the solution will be.

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    Re: Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    I'm so unbelievably in favor of banning the shift words can't do it justice.

    Hopefully it means in a few years I'll actually be able to watch modern MLB instead of watching old games from the 90s on youtube.

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    Re: Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    Quote Originally Posted by CySeymour View Post
    From an x's and o'x standpoint I wouldn't be in favor of this, but I get that they are thinking of it from the entertainment/watchability angle of the game.
    As long as they do it, idc why. Watching balls get smoked up the middle to the 3b or lined to RF to the 2b is getting really old to me.

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    Re: Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    Quote Originally Posted by getfoul View Post
    Starting it in the minors would be a good test. Definitely think it would help the game if there was more incentive to put the bat on the ball and not swing for the fences every time. Anything to have fewer strikeouts and to help out lefty hitters a little bit would make the game more enjoyable.
    Somebody who attended a decent amount of minor league ballgames in 2018 and 2019 can correct me, but I don't think the dramatic shifts are down there yet. The scouting reports on the other players aren't as concrete and there's less data...

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    Re: Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    It’s not so simple to just go the other way when every pitcher can bust you in on the hands with high 90s heat. An adjustment to the shift is needed, otherwise we’re just going to sink deeper into three true outcomes ball.
    There are many pitches in an AB. If a pitcher only busts you inside, then it’s easy to crush them for XBH’s, and if that happens, pitchers will adjust by pitching outside or throwing more offspeed pitches. Then the hitter will adjust.

    That isn’t happening because hitters are trained now to swing from their heels, go for a HR on every pitch, and pitchers are exploiting that. Start in the minors and coach players to stop swinging from their heels on every pitch, to go the other way when they see offspeed pitches or on the outside corner. That will beat the shift and teams will adjust.

    It will take time, but I’d rather see that than rules that certainly will have unforeseen consequences.
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    Re: Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    There are many pitches in an AB. If a pitcher only busts you inside, then it’s easy to crush them for XBH’s, and if that happens, pitchers will adjust by pitching outside or throwing more offspeed pitches. Then the hitter will adjust.

    That isn’t happening because hitters are trained now to swing from their heels, go for a HR on every pitch, and pitchers are exploiting that. Start in the minors and coach players to stop swinging from their heels on every pitch, to go the other way when they see offspeed pitches or on the outside corner. That will beat the shift and teams will adjust.

    It will take time, but I’d rather see that than rules that certainly will have unforeseen consequences.
    It's not a coaching thing. As long as more runs are being scored this way, they'll keep hitting that way. It isn't the coaches or players responsibility to adjust the game for entertainment value, it's the owners. The players are there to try to win.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: Owners discussing banning shift as part of new rules for next season

    I am in favor of the ban because it affects left handed hitters more than right handed hitters.

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