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    Re: Reds all-time single-season team

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Klu View Post
    I wish Kevin Mitchell had had a chance for a full season in 1994, because he might have put up a season that could challenge George Foster's 1977 season for best all-time.

    Mitchell played only three seasons with the Reds (1993 and 1994, then reacquired in 1996 at the July trade deadline), but tore the cover off the ball throughout his entire Reds career. Just an absolute force of nature offensively in his brief tenure with the Reds.

    1993:
    .341/.385/.601/.986, 19 HR's, 64 RBI's, 160 OPS+ in 93 games

    1994:
    .326/.429/.681/1.110, 30 HR's, 77 RBI's, 185 OPS+ in 95 games

    1996 (after the trade with Boston):
    .325/.447/.579/1.026, 6 HR's, 26 RBI's, 169 OPS+ in 37 games

    Career with Reds:
    .332/.414/.631/1.045, 55 HR's, 167 RBI's, 172 OPS+ in 225 games
    Incredible year for Mitchell in 1994. But no matter what, even if his numbers were higher, they wouldn't be better than Foster's. Mitchell was 10th in MLB in homers and 31st in RBI when the season was cancelled. Foster was king of homers and RBI. So I'm kind of glad that Mitchell didn't beat George's records because the stats say it was easier to do in 1994 than in 1977.


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    Re: Reds all-time single-season team

    Quote Originally Posted by foster15 View Post
    Incredible year for Mitchell in 1994. But no matter what, even if his numbers were higher, they wouldn't be better than Foster's. Mitchell was 10th in MLB in homers and 31st in RBI when the season was cancelled. Foster was king of homers and RBI. So I'm kind of glad that Mitchell didn't beat George's records because the stats say it was easier to do in 1994 than in 1977.
    In 1977, Foster had a 165 OPS+.

    In 1994, Mitchell had a 185 OPS+.

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    Re: Reds all-time single-season team

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    In 1977, Foster had a 165 OPS+.

    In 1994, Mitchell had a 185 OPS+.
    Yeah, and what was Foster's in the same amount of games as Mitchell. If I recall Foster had a very similar first half of season that Mitchell had in 1994. To think that Mitchell would've kept up that pace is a fantasy.

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    Re: Reds all-time single-season team

    Quote Originally Posted by foster15 View Post
    Incredible year for Mitchell in 1994. But no matter what, even if his numbers were higher, they wouldn't be better than Foster's. Mitchell was 10th in MLB in homers and 31st in RBI when the season was cancelled. Foster was king of homers and RBI. So I'm kind of glad that Mitchell didn't beat George's records because the stats say it was easier to do in 1994 than in 1977.
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...&t=b&year=1977
    In 94, Mitchell played in 95 of the Reds 114 games. Foster played in 112 of the Reds first 114 games in 77. After those 112 games, Foster was hitting .314/.376/.635/1.012 with 38 hr and 109 rbi. After 95 games he was at .310/.367/.617/.984 with 31 hr and 92 rbi.

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    Re: Reds all-time single-season team

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Here's the all-time, single-season roster as determined solely by Fangraphs WAR in seasons since 1900:

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    Pos	Name/Year	fWAR	Commnets
    C	1972 Bench	 9.2	Bench had the top 6 and 11 of the top 12 seasons
    1B	1954 Kluszewski	 7.4	Votto had seasons 2-5
    2B	1975 Morgan	11.0	Morgan had the top 5 seasons
    SS	1996 Larkin	 6.8	Larkin had the top 4 seasons
    3B	1970 Perez	 8.2	Rose had the 2nd best season, Groh had 4 of top 10
    LF	1977 Foster 	 8.9	Rose had the 2nd best season, Robinson had 5 of top 10
    CF	1905 Seymour	 8.7	Davis had the 2nd best season, 9 different players in top 10
    RF	1962 Robinson	 8.2	Robinson had the top 3 seasons
    SP1	1947 Blackwell	 7.6	This season represents 30% of his career WAR
    SP2	1982 Soto	 7.1	Had a .254 Reds career BABIP, but .277 in this season
    SP3	1993 Rijo	 7.1	Rijo is 4th all-time career WAR as Reds' SP
    SP4	1923 Luque	 6.8	Had the 2nd most IP for the Reds all-time
    SP5	1901 Hahn	 6.6	His '03 season was also 6.6 WAR
    RP	1990 Dibble	 4.3	Dibble had the Reds top 3 RP seasons in 89-91
    Cy Seymour was one who came to mind and this list rightly notes other long ago performances that most fans aren't aware of. And I'm partial to Noodles Hahn since his wife was my Grandpa Metz's 2nd cousin (although I have no die how connected the family was - my ancestors were the poor relations with a number of family lines).
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    Re: Reds all-time single-season team

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Here's the all-time, single-season roster as determined solely by Fangraphs WAR in seasons since 1900:

    Code:
    Pos	Name/Year	fWAR	Commnets
    C	1972 Bench	 9.2	Bench had the top 6 and 11 of the top 12 seasons
    1B	1954 Kluszewski	 7.4	Votto had seasons 2-5
    2B	1975 Morgan	11.0	Morgan had the top 5 seasons
    SS	1996 Larkin	 6.8	Larkin had the top 4 seasons
    3B	1970 Perez	 8.2	Rose had the 2nd best season, Groh had 4 of top 10
    LF	1977 Foster 	 8.9	Rose had the 2nd best season, Robinson had 5 of top 10
    CF	1905 Seymour	 8.7	Davis had the 2nd best season, 9 different players in top 10
    RF	1962 Robinson	 8.2	Robinson had the top 3 seasons
    SP1	1947 Blackwell	 7.6	This season represents 30% of his career WAR
    SP2	1982 Soto	 7.1	Had a .254 Reds career BABIP, but .277 in this season
    SP3	1993 Rijo	 7.1	Rijo is 4th all-time career WAR as Reds' SP
    SP4	1923 Luque	 6.8	Had the 2nd most IP for the Reds all-time
    SP5	1901 Hahn	 6.6	His '03 season was also 6.6 WAR
    RP	1990 Dibble	 4.3	Dibble had the Reds top 3 RP seasons in 89-91
    I realize that Fangraphs and Baseball Reference.com calculate WAR differently, and I am not smart enough to explain how each does the calculation, but the omission of that list of Bucky Walters makes no sense to me. Baseball Reference.com shows that Walters had pitching WAR in 1939 of 8.2 and overall WAR of 9.7 [Walters had a batting line that season of .325/.357/.433-the Reds could have used that production out of their leadoff hitter in 2020].
    Using old style stats, Walters's 1939 season looks better to me than any season of Blackwell, Soto, Rijo, Luque or Hahn. Walters went 27-11, leading the NL in wins. He also lead the NL in ERA, 2.29, strikeouts, 137, innings pitched, 319, and complete games, 31. As for more modern stats, Walters lead the NL in ERA+ with 170, WHIP with 1.125, and hits per nine innings pitched with 7.1. Oh he was the NL MVP.
    Last edited by RedsBaron; 01-06-2021 at 09:58 AM.
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