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    Re: MLB Agents Talk About Slow Free Agent Market

    Quote Originally Posted by CaiGuy View Post
    Eh, they locked up Votto, Bailey, Phillips, and others well into FA, sometimes at market rates, and those guys always become Reds Fans' favorite whipping boys.
    That's a good point. During the Walt era, they did keep their good players.
    Other than that? Larkin and Jr were kept/extended.

    A few players (Casey,Graves, probably someone else) were signed before 2003, but that was really a sham as ownership had planned a firesale midseason.
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    Re: MLB Agents Talk About Slow Free Agent Market

    Quote Originally Posted by backbencher View Post
    Exactly. As I've been saying, the Reds' problems never have been spending money; on a pound-for-pound basis (i.e., dollars spent compared to market size), the Reds may even be league champions.

    The bigger issue for the Reds is how they spend. They are never quite fish (big market big spenders) or fowl (churners like Oakland and Tampa and Cleveland). They are too poor to get the elite free agents and too sentimental to let go of name talent when the talent would get a premium.

    (That's not the only issue, of course - just the one related to spending.)
    Yeah, I don't think the problem has been the money spend on the major league roster or retaining veterans. And they probably shouldn't be playing to big in free agency eigether anyways. They even do really well overall in trades.

    The main thing is the fact that they develop next to zero starting pitching through the draft. Like none.

    Maybe they should reallocate a large amount of the major league roster money to scouting, development, and analytics? Or maybe that's what they have been doing with these recent changes in those areas?

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    Re: MLB Agents Talk About Slow Free Agent Market

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    That's a good point. During the Walt era, they did keep their good players.
    Other than that? Larkin and Jr were kept/extended.

    A few players (Casey,Graves, probably someone else) were signed before 2003, but that was really a sham as ownership had planned a firesale midseason.
    You always end up paying for market-rate extensions on the back end of the contract.

    Whether you try to retain your core vets or not, you have to get some surplus value out of cost-contrlled, young players if you are going to compete. That is true even for big-payroll teams, but even more so for teams like the Reds.

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