Indians trade Lindor and Carrasco to Mets

[RedTeamGo!]

It’s one year and then 78 PA’s last year. 492 PA’s total

I get it, but we should have seen improvement last year IMO and he regressed. The bat looks whack. Just being honest.

[CySeymour]

I get it, but we should have seen improvement last year IMO and he regressed. The bat looks whack. Just being honest.

I think you could see improvement before he went down with COVID. He was OPS'ing over .800 when he went on the COVID list, then in the 9 games he played after coming back he only had 2 hits. For Senzel, I just don't see how you can make any sweeping conclusions after that strange pandemic filled season.

[M2]

That's a hell of a pickup for the Mets. My guess is taking Carrasco's contract (and he's a good pitcher at a nice price) helped lower the overall trade cost. From a baseball standpoint, the Mets just got a lot better. It's making me a little dizzy to say that, because I am not used to heaping praise on the Mets, but their fans should be all kinds of stoked about this deal.

Wonder if this will shake out the rest of the SS market. Maybe the Reds make an acquisition in the coming days.

[Wonderful Monds]

Amed Rosario has 1500 PAs of being a .700 OPS bat, where Senzel doesn’t even have 500 yet. Rosario may still have upside left, but I don’t think he has nearly the value Senzel does. As noted, Senzel also has a couple years at least of extra control, and he’s a couple years closer removed to being a top 5-10 prospect.

The Reds could’ve beaten this offer without too much issue if they had really wanted to.

[RedTeamGo!]

Amed Rosario has 1500 PAs of being a .700 OPS bat, where Senzel doesn’t even have 500 yet. Rosario may still have upside left, but I don’t think he has nearly the value Senzel does. As noted, Senzel also has a couple years at least of extra control, and he’s a couple years closer removed to being a top 5-10 prospect.

The Reds could’ve beaten this offer without too much issue if they had really wanted to.

You’re forgetting the reds don’t have a MLB ready cost controlled SS to trade the Indians.

[wally post]

Yeah the Reds could've matched price in talent, but not the hard cold cash.

[RedTeamGo!]

Heyman just reported the Indians offered Lindor over $200 million last year and Lindor turned it down and demanded over $300 million and wouldn’t budge. I can’t really blame Cleveland for not going that high for Lindor, honestly.

[RedsManRick]

Would I offer a comparable or better contract for that package with a Lindor extension? Absolutely? For just 1 year of Lindor knowing he's going to chase 300M in FA? Absolutely not.

[Wonderful Monds]

https://twitter.com/MazzNYC/status/1...503267329?s=20

Mike Mazzeo
@MazzNYC
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Rival executive on #Mets landing Francisco Lindor: "They stole him. Total steal. It's ridiculous. People in Cleveland should be fired for doing that trade."

[Wonderful Monds]

Let’s say the Reds could’ve done this for like, Lodolo India and Garcia. Would you not do that trade?

You basically complete the lineup and get a guy to replace Bauer in the rotation too. All you’d really have to do is pick up one of the relievers floating around in free agency (resign Bradley for cheaper or whatever) and your whole offseason is set.

[RedTeamGo!]

Let’s say the Reds could’ve done this for like, Lodolo India and Garcia. Would you not do that trade?

You basically complete the lineup and get a guy to replace Bauer in the rotation too. All you’d really have to do is pick up one of the relievers floating around in free agency (resign Bradley for cheaper or whatever) and your whole offseason is set.

I would, yes, but I am not high on any of those prospects while most are.

With that said, if the reds made that trade it would be for 1 season of Lindor. The Mets are going to extend Lindor. The reds would not for $300 million. The reds are already operating under the albatross that is the Votto contract.

[backbencher]

https://twitter.com/MazzNYC/status/1...503267329?s=20
Mike Mazzeo
@MazzNYC
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3h
Rival executive on #Mets landing Francisco Lindor: "They stole him. Total steal. It's ridiculous. People in Cleveland should be fired for doing that trade."

Silly take by the "rival executive." Competent reporter would ask simple follow-up, "and your team did not offer more because . . . ."

Every team in baseball had notice and a full year to get their best offer on the table. This is as close to a pure, raw intelligence on a "market" as you ever can get.

There's an interesting discussion on ESPN.com comparing the Indians' take here to the Bosox take on Betts, rating them mostly similar.

[Wonderful Monds]

Silly take by the "rival executive." Competent reporter would ask simple follow-up, "and your team did not offer more because . . . ."

Every team in baseball had notice and a full year to get their best offer on the table. This is as close to a pure, raw intelligence on a "market" as you ever can get.

There's an interesting discussion on ESPN.com comparing the Indians' take here to the Bosox take on Betts, rating them mostly similar.

Man idk about that last bit. The Sox got Verdugo, who is already a really good player in his own right, and Downs, who’s a better prospect than anyone the Indians just got. The Indians also had to trade Carrasco for that return too.

[Griffey012]

Amed Rosario has 1500 PAs of being a .700 OPS bat, where Senzel doesn’t even have 500 yet. Rosario may still have upside left, but I don’t think he has nearly the value Senzel does. As noted, Senzel also has a couple years at least of extra control, and he’s a couple years closer removed to being a top 5-10 prospect.

The Reds could’ve beaten this offer without too much issue if they had really wanted to.

Rosario also seemed to take a nice step forward in 2019 (90 point OPS gain to .755) which was his second full season and age 23 season. He had gains in almost all the areas you want to see: K rate, ISO, EV, LD rate, O-Swing%.

I think a little too much weight is being placed on 2020 here, if we have the opposite small sample result and he had say an .850 OPS like he did the final month of 2020, people would probably be talking about the Indians grabbing a future All-Star and can't believe the Reds couldn't get Rosario.

I just don't see all the hoopla over the deal. I thought it was a good return for the Indians and a good deal for both teams.

[M2]

I agree other execs don't get to complain about steals in a market they helped depress, but that is still a steal. Got to assume the Mets extend Lindor too. They'll have the cash for it.

I feel bad for Terry Francona. He doesn't deserve this. And they'll probably punt Ramirez too.