Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. -- Carl Sagan (Pale Blue Dot)
A couple of points
1.) The Reds organization model in its current iteration is very straight forward. They don't sign big money free agents and with rare exceptions like Joey Votto, they don't sign their own guys to long term extensions beyond their arbitration years. That being the case, in order for them to compete they need to acquire and develop players that are productive at the MLB level for a window of about 6 years. I don't think their is anything controversial about those statements.
2.) With the Rule 5 draft, you have 5 years to develop a guy. At that point you either expose him to the world or you have to put him on your roster whether he is a productive player or not.
Using those 2 points as guide posts, Reds players essentially have an 9-11 year shelf life. 3 to 5 years development, 6 years playing then off to free agency or traded before free agency. Again, nothing really controversial about that statement.
Assuming worst case scenario (5 year development path, 11 year life cycle) Any "homegrown" Reds would have had to come from 2010 draft or later. You can talk about how good the 2006 draft was, but the fact is those guys would not be with the Reds at this point in their careers and would have ZERO impact on the 2021 Reds other than compensation pick or prospects that came over in trades, which in theory should bolster your farm system.
So, No 10 years is not arbitrary, its incredibly realistic. If you want to stretch to 11 so you can count Grandal, so be it. Bottom line is for a team that absolutely has to consistently generate high level talent through the farm system, they have not done a good job and there is no way to argue they have. Pick any measure you want and I will almost guarantee they are bottom 5 in all of baseball in the last 11 years.
JaxRed (03-18-2021)
Rdirtypirates (03-19-2021),RED VAN HOT (03-19-2021)
Updated list
Top 100 (rank):
Greene(27)
Lodolo(32)
Barrero(33)
McLain(98)
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Bummer to see Hendrick fall off the top 100
What would you say.....ya do here?
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. -- Carl Sagan (Pale Blue Dot)
I suspect Hendrick will need a full good season to climb back onto the top 100 lists. Though the guy in Daytona who's starting to fascinate me is Allan Cerda.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
Cerda, De La Cruz, and Hendrick all seem to have power for days and K issues. Hinds too, if his small sample and scouting report can be believed.
It's definitely seemed to be a Reds' thing for the last few years.
I'd prefer a haul of Callihans, Winkers, and Ibarras, but am interested in finding out if this works.
So far, those four have a wRC+ in Rookie and low A that's somewhere between 110 and 138.
Last edited by Bourgeois Zee; 08-21-2021 at 11:29 AM.
M2 (08-22-2021)
We are also ranked #12 overall farm system (at least based on top 100 point system). Top farm system in the NL Central
https://www.mlb.com/news/top-prospec...eason-rankings
What's funny is that national pundits may well be undervaluing the system as a whole.
Recent graduates Stephenson, India, Antone, Gutierrez, and Santillan have done far, far better than expected. Especially the three pitchers.
If the Reds have found success developing pitching, guys like Noah Davis, Carson Spiers, Eduardo Salazar, Graham Ashcraft, Christian Roa, Bryce Bonnin, Riley O'Brien, and even guys like Dauri Moreta and Reiver Sanmartin.
Old school 1983 (08-22-2021)
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