Turn Off Ads?
Page 4 of 9 FirstFirst 12345678 ... LastLast
Results 46 to 60 of 127

Thread: Rob Manfred ?

  1. #46
    Member Ron Madden's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    22,229

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    Why Rob Manfred's job isn't in danger as MLB heads toward a lockout -- and what it would take to change that

    So what would it take for Manfred to be given the bum's rush out of This, Our Baseball? The terse answer is that it's not going to happen, at least not any time soon. The longer answer -- the kind of answer that lends itself to 1,500 words of web-based copy -- involves looking backward to prior holders of the office.

    Manfred is the 10th commissioner of baseball, so it's perhaps instructive to note what became of past commissioners -- i.e., how they came to no longer be commissioners. Of the nine non-Manfred MLB pit bosses, two died in office -- Kenesaw Mountain Landis (served from 1921-44) and Bart Giamatti (1988-89) -- and another three stepped down of their own volition -- Ford Frick (1951-65), Peter Ueberroth (1984-88), and Bud Selig (acting commissioner from 1992-98, elected commissioner from 1998-2015). That leaves four commissioners who were in essence forced from the role.

    Happy Chandler (1945-51) failed to secure a second term as commissioner largely because he too often put the interests of the players and the game itself ahead of those of the owners. As well, Chandler's support for integrating the major leagues put him at odds with most team owners of the day. Since the commissioner serves at the pleasure of the owners, it's prudent to make them happy. Chandler did not.

    William Eckert (1965-68) seemed woefully miscast in the role and particularly for the challenges that greeted him during his tenure. Specifically, owners doubted that Eckert was a capable enough leader to keep in check the fledgling Players Association under Marvin Miller, and his handling of expansion was ham-fisted at best. That lack of confidence plus a number of public gaffes caused owners to force Eckert's resignation well before his term was up.

    Eckert's successor, Bowie Kuhn (1969-1984), failed to secure a third term for an array of reasons. Chief among them were a 50-day players' strike during the heart of the 1981 season occurring on his watch, personal grievances with a number of owners whom Kuhn had disciplined during his time in office, and significant turnover within the ranks of ownership that whittled down his base of support.

    Then comes Fay Vincent (1989-92). Vincent, who assumed office following the sudden fatal heart attack suffered by Giamatti, was eventually forced to resign by a healthy majority of team owners. While Vincent occasionally operated in an owner-accommodating manner, he also at times hewed toward what he thought was best for the game of baseball independent of other considerations. In 1990, for instance, he held a press conference after the owners voted to lock out the players and proposed ending the lockout in exchange for a "no strike" pledge from the union. Vincent made the bold offer without the consent of owners (or players, for that matter). Vincent also scolded the owners for, in essence, undertaking the lockout in a fit of pique over the hundreds of million of dollars they were forced to pay out because of collusion against free agents. As well, the ban he levied against Yankees owner George Steinbrenner, his initial opposition to the sale of the Seattle Mariners, and an attempt to mandate divisional realignment added to the perception among clubs that Vincent was exerting too much power. He paid for doing so.

    At this point, it's worth revisiting a quote from Marvin Miller, the pioneering union head mentioned above, about the role of the commissioner:

    "All commissioners are controlled by the owners (who) retain the real power. And every baseball commissioner must eventually learn that reality or find himself unceremoniously booted out of his job."

    Manfred has curried sufficient favor with those who will decide his fate as commissioner. That's why it's going to take labor calamity or a wide-ranging reversal of economic fortunes for Manfred's job to be imperiled.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb...BingNewsSearch


  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #47
    Member RedsBrick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    1,345

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    The office of the commissioner should be set up in such a way that it is independent of both the owners and players.

  4. Likes:

    Bourgeois Zee (11-25-2021),Chip R (11-22-2021),Ron Madden (11-21-2021),Slyder (11-24-2021)

  5. #48
    Member Z-Fly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    1,645

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBrick View Post
    The office of the commissioner should be set up in such a way that it is independent of both the owners and players.
    That's a great idea. I'm just not sure how you could do that. Elected official, players/owners/writers get 1/3 of a vote?
    WHEN DOES IT STOP!?!?

  6. #49
    Rally Onion! Chip R's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Cincinnati, OH
    Posts
    41,818

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    The only way Manfred is going to lose his job any time in the near future - barring scandal - is if he gives the MLBPA everything or most everything they want.
    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    I was wrong
    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    Chip is right

  7. Likes:

    757690 (11-23-2021),cumberlandreds (11-22-2021),Ron Madden (11-22-2021),Roy Tucker (11-22-2021)

  8. #50
    Member Ron Madden's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    22,229

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    What to Know About Baseball’s Looming Labor Disaster

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb...?ocid=BingNews

  9. Likes:

    RED VAN HOT (11-23-2021)

  10. #51
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    4,763

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    What to Know About Baseball’s Looming Labor Disaster

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb...?ocid=BingNews
    The article strongly suggests that teams are playing younger players instead of vets in order to cut costs, knowing that they will make money even if the young players perform at a lesser level. Although this may be true to an extent, I think the issue is more complex. Policing of steroids has tended to reduce the productive years of older players. Players who hit free agency in their 30's tend to be valued less than previously. Thus there has been a shift toward younger players. Premium prospects seem to have gained value as well along with the draft position necessary to select them. For smaller market teams it is prudent to avoid the risk of large contracts to veteran players when those contracts may be dead money in the out years. For these teams it is a risk/reward calculation that tends to favor playing younger players.

    If the players side of the negotiations is divided, as the article suggests, then so is the owners side as there is a wide range of differences among teams with regard to the best way to finance a franchise.

  11. #52
    Member Ron Madden's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    22,229

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    I believe that it's been Rob Manfred's plan all along for a lock out of an agreement isn't reached by the deadline.

  12. #53
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    4,763

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    Wouldn't increasing the minimum go a long way toward resolving the issues? If they agreed to increase scale for pre-arb players that was higher, it would make lesser MLB players more attractive. It still wouldn't prevent teams from selling high priced talent in order to rebuild, but that would not be a significant union issue. The rebuilding team might even be more receptive to taking back a marginal ML player in the trade.

  13. #54
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    4,763

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    Also, the rationale for rebuilding is that finishing in the middle of the pack each year but not making the playoffs is the worst outcome. Increasing the number of playoff teams would make rebuilding a tougher decision and the owners would like it. I think there is room for negotiations.

  14. #55
    Member Ron Madden's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    22,229

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    I wish Manfred would retire
    Pitchers and catchers are due to report to spring training camps next week, but there’s almost no chance of that happening on time. Major League Baseball is in a lockout, and there’s been virtually no progress in talks to bring an end to the work stoppage.

    Understandably, MLB commissioner Rob Manfred is taking much of the blame from players and fans. Since taking over as commissioner in 2015, Manfred has botched the sport’s biggest cheating scandal in a century and has operated as someone who just despises baseball.

    Manfred has remained awfully quiet throughout the lockout, but that’s about to change. Manfred is scheduled to address the media on Thursday, and he’s almost certain to stumble through answers and make things worse — it’s what he does.
    full article plus tweets and comments here:
    https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/mlb-c...ockout-twitter

  15. Likes:

    757690 (02-09-2022),Chip R (02-10-2022),goreds2 (02-09-2022)

  16. #56
    Member Strikes Out Looking's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    4,929

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    Page 4 of thread, and the correct answer to "Rob Manfred" is "still hates baseball but loves money"

  17. Likes:

    757690 (02-09-2022),Chip R (02-10-2022),Ron Madden (02-09-2022)

  18. #57
    Member Old school 1983's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    8,269

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking View Post
    Page 4 of thread, and the correct answer to "Rob Manfred" is "still hates baseball but loves money"
    I thought the appropriate response was what is an assclown? After selecting rob manfred for $500

  19. Likes:

    Ron Madden (02-09-2022)

  20. #58
    Future Fame of Holler WildcatFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Lexington, KY
    Posts
    2,678

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    Listen to this dummy:

    @Travis_Sawchik
    Manfred on if owning a team is lucrative:
    "Historically, (the return) is below what you'd expect to get in the stock market."
    "I never argue with people who say baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn't. And that's what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski

  21. Likes:

    Ron Madden (02-10-2022),Tom Servo (02-10-2022)

  22. #59
    Member RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Guelph, ON
    Posts
    19,448

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    Quote Originally Posted by WildcatFan View Post
    Listen to this dummy:
    Since 2002, the average MLB franchise's value has increased rom ~300M to ~1.9B. That's a return of 6.5x on valuation increases alone.

    Since 2002:
    - The S&P 500 has increased from ~1,500 to ~4,500. That's a 3x return.
    - The DJIA has increased from ~12k to ~36k. That's a 3x return.

    I'm sure you can manipulate the time frame to find some period over which his comment is true, but this begs credulity.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

  23. Likes:

    *BaseClogger* (02-10-2022),Mitri (02-10-2022),Old school 1983 (02-11-2022),Ron Madden (02-10-2022),Roy Tucker (02-11-2022),Tom Servo (02-10-2022),WildcatFan (02-10-2022)

  24. #60
    Member Mitri's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    5,168

    Re: Rob Manfred ?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Since 2002, the average MLB franchise's value has increased rom ~300M to ~1.9B. That's a return of 6.5x on valuation increases alone.

    Since 2002:
    - The S&P 500 has increased from ~1,500 to ~4,500. That's a 3x return.
    - The DJIA has increased from ~12k to ~36k. That's a 3x return.

    I'm sure you can manipulate the time frame to find some period over which his comment is true, but this begs credulity.
    Manfred is such a dumbass. Even those with a passing knowledge of MLB team/stock market valuation knows that comment is a blatant lie.

  25. Likes:

    Chip R (02-10-2022),Ron Madden (02-10-2022)


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | Gallen5862 | Plus Plus | Powel Crosley | RedlegJake | The Operator