Turn Off Ads?
Page 1 of 68 123451151 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 1007

Thread: Covid-19, Part XI - Rounding Third?

  1. #1
    Member Sea Ray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    20,923

    temp

    I see the "experts" are still telling us folks who have received both vaccine doses to social distance, stay away from crowds etc, etc. OK, I'd like for them to think about the numbers as in statistical probability that one would:

    1) carry the virus
    2) get sick from the virus
    3) get ill from the virus (as in need hospital care)

    My guess is that #2 and #3 are less risky than getting struck by lightning and probably also less likely than getting seriously injured driving your car on I-75. #1 we really don't know for sure but we do know that except in really rare cases, you're only carrying the virus for 10 days of your entire life, assuming you catch it at all.

    Which leads me to my final point. Seeing as these numbers are very, very remote, how can we justify continuing to let this virus alter our lives? This is the bottom line that I'm continuing to struggle with. Please folks, help me out.


  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Member Sea Ray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    20,923

    Re: State Covid Vaccine Dashboards

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    More good news from Israel:

    Attachment 16971
    Unfortunately that article doesn't tell the whole story. I'd like to know more about the 5%. Did they go to the hospital? Did they die? In the original Pfizer trails, even in that 5%, nobody needed a ventilator and nobody died. It was 100% effective at preventing serious life threatening illness

  4. #3
    Member Strikes Out Looking's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    4,026

    Covid-19, Part XI - Rounding Third?

    Figured I'd start us off to discuss anything not related to the numbers of vaccines and/or daily infections.

  5. #4
    Winning is fun.
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    1,596

    Re: Covid-19, Part XI - Rounding Third?

    It will be interesting to see what this week does to numbers with people being snowed in for a few days. It may slow vaccination but it also may serve as a mini lockdown.

  6. #5
    Member JaxRed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Jacksonville, FL
    Posts
    14,274

    Re: Covid-19, Part XI - Rounding Third?

    Heard a local news report where they said they are naming new variants after birds. New one for me.

    Robin - 1
    Robin -2
    Pelican 1


    These were US variant. I can only assume the 2 Robins were close to each other so that's why they weren't given different names.
    Last edited by JaxRed; 02-16-2021 at 12:08 AM.
    Bud Selig: "I'm the worst commissioner ever"
    Rob Manfred: "Hold my beer"

  7. #6
    Member Kingspoint's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    All around
    Posts
    9,957

    Re: State Covid Vaccine Dashboards

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    This shouldn’t be news to anyone that is remotely following things. There were similar findings in the vaccination studies. As said, the FOUR people had no or mild symptoms. That’s great.

    If you were presenting this as a “just news” post I apologize for being curt. If this is being presented as part of a broader theme I’m curious at to what you are driving at.
    Just so people understand that 95% is a great number, far greater than any flu vaccine before it.
    "One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."

  8. #7
    Daffy Duck RedTeamGo!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Cleveland, OH
    Posts
    14,761

    Re: State Covid Vaccine Dashboards

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I see the "experts" are still telling us folks who have received both vaccine doses to social distance, stay away from crowds etc, etc. OK, I'd like for them to think about the numbers as in statistical probability that one would:

    1) carry the virus
    2) get sick from the virus
    3) get ill from the virus (as in need hospital care)

    My guess is that #2 and #3 are less risky than getting struck by lightning and probably also less likely than getting seriously injured driving your car on I-75. #1 we really don't know for sure but we do know that except in really rare cases, you're only carrying the virus for 10 days of your entire life, assuming you catch it at all.

    Which leads me to my final point. Seeing as these numbers are very, very remote, how can we justify continuing to let this virus alter our lives? This is the bottom line that I'm continuing to struggle with. Please folks, help me out.
    Im assuming this is just until we get the majority of people vaccinated, though, right?
    What would you say.....ya do here?

  9. #8
    Member JaxRed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Jacksonville, FL
    Posts
    14,274

    Re: Covid-19, Part XI - Rounding Third?

    NY Times reports that last month Moderna asked the US for permission to include 15 doses per vial instead of 10. Apparently the US has given permission to go to 14. Still some administrative paperwork to satisfy, and it takes 2-3 months to implement for Moderna.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/u...1f35f2c2baa6a8

    Obviously this is good for logistics because you are increasing supply by 40% while not increasing the number of vials in transport.
    Bud Selig: "I'm the worst commissioner ever"
    Rob Manfred: "Hold my beer"

  10. #9
    Member Sea Ray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    20,923

    Re: Covid-19, Part XI - Rounding Third?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I see the "experts" are still telling us folks who have received both vaccine doses to social distance, stay away from crowds etc, etc. OK, I'd like for them to think about the numbers as in statistical probability that one would:

    1) carry the virus
    2) get sick from the virus
    3) get ill from the virus (as in need hospital care)

    My guess is that #2 and #3 are less risky than getting struck by lightning and probably also less likely than getting seriously injured driving your car on I-75. #1 we really don't know for sure but we do know that except in really rare cases, you're only carrying the virus for 10 days of your entire life, assuming you catch it at all.

    Which leads me to my final point. Seeing as these numbers are very, very remote, how can we justify continuing to let this virus alter our lives? This is the bottom line that I'm continuing to struggle with. Please folks, help me out.
    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Im assuming this is just until we get the majority of people vaccinated, though, right?
    First of all I don't know when or if we'll ever get half of America vaccinated. I'm guessing about 150 mill will volunteer to be vaccinated. I think we have about 100 mill who have natural immunity based upon those that have tested positive and those that were likely infected but didn't seek out doctor's care, but rather than deal with guesses, let's deal with the here and now.

    What's the problem if I take a flight somewhere? How 'bout go to a crowded craft beer bar? A restaurant? A Reds game? Why can't I do all that right now? I haven't gotten sick for over a year. Now my chances of getting sick enough to warrant a hospital stay/death are pretty much zero. My chances of getting sick at all are very, very slim...probably less than my getting the flu or numerous other ailments out there...so why continue to let this virus run my life? There's still a ton of fear mongering going on out there and I've had enough. I'm going to follow the science

  11. #10
    Winning is fun.
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    1,596

    Re: Covid-19, Part XI - Rounding Third?


  12. #11
    TyrannoSuarez Wrecks WrongVerb's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Monterey, CA
    Posts
    15,854

    Re: State Covid Vaccine Dashboards

    I love how "You can easily pass the coronavirus to others who could get terribly ill, even if you've been vaccinated" never factors into the libertarian calculus of "opening up."

    It's almost like they don't comprehend how diseases actually spread.
    Gratitude + Forgiveness = Happiness

  13. Likes:

    mth123 (02-17-2021)

  14. #12
    Member Wonderful Monds's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    9,435

    Re: State Covid Vaccine Dashboards

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongVerb View Post
    "You can easily pass the coronavirus to others who could get terribly ill, even if you've been vaccinated"
    This isn’t true fwiw

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...e-transmission
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/healt...ntl/index.html

  15. Likes:

    Boston Red (02-16-2021),Sea Ray (02-16-2021)

  16. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Utilizing Catholic Moral Code
    Posts
    4,465

    Re: Covid-19, Part XI - Rounding Third?

    This deal is crazy. We've had some vaccines administered here, of course, but other than a brief blip in mid-January, Covid cases have been going steadily down here since mdi-November, and we have done almost literally nothing differently. Schools (including teams sports), restaurants, and businesses were open on the way up, and they all stayed open on the way down. I'm quite pleased that this is almost over.

  17. Likes:

    Sea Ray (02-16-2021)

  18. #14
    Member Wonderful Monds's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    9,435

    Re: Covid-19, Part XI - Rounding Third?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Red View Post
    This deal is crazy. We've had some vaccines administered here, of course, but other than a brief blip in mid-January, Covid cases have been going steadily down here since mdi-November, and we have done almost literally nothing differently. Schools (including teams sports), restaurants, and businesses were open on the way up, and they all stayed open on the way down. I'm quite pleased that this is almost over.
    I forget where I read it, but apparently cases dropped pretty similarly across the world over in Europe and etc in places that correlated pretty strongly by latitude, which I guess apparently implies there is some sort of seasonal effect that’s kicking in. I don’t think the vaccines would make a major difference to the extent it’s happening yet.

  19. #15
    Viva la Rolen kaldaniels's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    16,296

    Re: State Covid Vaccine Dashboards

    I agree with you here WM.

    However there is always a way for those vaccinated to spread it - say someone sneezes towards you (you are vaccinated) - you inhale in into your nostrils, then you sneeze it out soon after and someone else gets the virus. Do I suspect (trials pending) that that will be a rare event - yes I do. But being able to say “you can still transmit the virus even if you are vaccinated” is a powerful statement that will used to stir up fear. (I’m glad to err on the side of caution for now and will always follow the prudent science. But I’ve already seen many people make that statement leaving it at face value without diving into what it really means)


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | cumberlandreds | Gallen5862 | Kinsm | Plus Plus | Powel Crosley | RedlegJake | The Operator