Votto a finalist for the SS. It's wild he hasn't won one yet, and this could be his last shot.
Does he get passed over for Goldschmidt again? Or does the award go the Freeman (prettier average, and great year for sure right through to the WS) or Muncy (because he is a Dodger)?
Some lesser known facts to add to the legend of Votto:
He’s finished 1st in the NL in assists by a 1B-man 6 times, and ranks 4th all-time. He figures to pass Bagwell and Helton next season, then leapfrog Eddie Murray into the top spot in 2023.
EDIT: If the NL adopts the DH, maybe he has a tough time making it to #1 on the list.
Last edited by RichRed; 10-28-2021 at 11:51 AM.
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It's definitely close. Some stats:Originally Posted by CaiGuy
Votto has the best raw rate stats and tied for the best with Muncy when park adjusted. The biggest issue is that he just didn't play as much, by a fairly big margin. That also shows up in his context specific stats like RE24 (distant 3rd behind Freeman and Muncy) and Win Probability Added (distant 3rd behind Freeman). Nobody got to 100 RBI and Votto tied with 99. He also led NL 1B in HR. So there are some traditional stats going for him at least.Code:PA wOBA wRC+ Bat_RAA Goldschmidt 679 .373 138 32.6 Freeman 695 .379 135 31.1 Muncy 592 .379 140 30.1 Votto 533 .391 140 27.4
All told, I'd break down the likelihoods at something like 35% Goldschmidt, 35% Freeman, 25% Votto, 5% Muncy.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
CaiGuy (10-29-2021)
Votto finishes 14th in the voting for MVP (disappointingly).
“The guys we've had for the most part have been serviceable at this level.”
goreds2 (11-21-2021)
16th not 14th and Cast finished 12th
https://bbwaa.com/21-nl-mvp/
14th is with the exchange rate taken into account.
“The guys we've had for the most part have been serviceable at this level.”
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Who was most likely to hit a HR in 2021?
By HR% here is the top ten, Votto is the age outlier
Code:SEASON 2021 HR% HR% HR PA AGE 1 Fernando Tatis Jr. 8.79 42 546 22 Padres 2 Shohei Ohtani 8.57 46 639 26 Angels 3 Joey Votto 8.04 36 533 37 Reds 4 Vladimir Guerrero Jr. 7.95 48 698 22 Blue Jays 5 Salvador Perez 7.74 48 665 31 Royals 6 Brandon Lowe 7.29 39 615 26 Rays 7 Max Muncy 7.24 36 592 30 Dodgers 8 Bryce Harper 7.17 35 599 28 Phillies 9 Aaron Judge 7.09 39 633 29 Yankees 10 Tyler O'Neill 7.05 34 537 26 Cardinals
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I didn't read all of this post. Just happened to see the first page and saw this quote. I'm guessing there was plenty of bashing, but no one would have thought Joey would have the fun to watch year he had. Hope he can keep it up in 2022. And sorry Joey, but winning a Championship is unlikely in Cincy.
The Reds have only had three players over the age of thirty ever have a 8% HR rate in a season, Kevin Mitchell in 1994, Vaughn in 1999 and Votto
Here is the list of players age 37 or better that had a 8% HR rate in a season
Code:AGE YEAR AGE HR% T1 Barry Bonds 2004 39 12.06 Giants T1 Nelson Cruz 2020 39 8.65 Twins T3 Ted Williams 1957 38 9.05 Red Sox T3 Barry Bonds 2003 38 11.54 Giants T3 Frank Thomas 2006 38 8.37 A's T3 Nelson Cruz 2019 38 9.03 Twins T7 Babe Ruth 1932 37 8.97 Yankees T7 Hank Aaron 1971 37 9.49 Braves T7 Barry Bonds 2002 37 11.41 Giants T7 Joey Votto 2021 37 8.04 Reds
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