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    I expect Votto to post a similar OPS that he has these last few years, around .800 in 2021, which is still good, though not great and definitely not Votto great. It’s rare for player over 35 to suddenly get better as they get older.
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    Re: Votto 2021 Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    I expect Votto to post a similar OPS that he has these last few years, around .800 in 2021, which is still good, though not great and definitely not Votto great. It’s rare for player over 35 to suddenly get better as they get older.
    I’m on board with all that.

    I could do without the extreme tinkering however. One season. No tinkering. Please.

    And I realize I’m a layman asking that of a HOFer.

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    Votto frustrates me sometimes but honestly it's only because in my mind i hold him to a higher standard. That has nothing to do with his salary and everything to do with the fact that he's on the very short list of the greatest players in Reds history...all that said i hope he tinkers less, stands tall, and rakes all season. I'll always look away when he's on the basepaths but I'll take my chances everytime with him at the plate.

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    Why not? It was a vert short season and this season could be looked at as an extension of last fall....really, just one long season.

    From NBC Sports w/ NBC Sports comments:

    Joey Votto told reporters Sunday that he expects to be better in 2021 than he was during his late-season power surge in 2020. Votto changed his approach midway through the season, realizing that while it would result in more strikeouts, it would also make him more "dangerous" at the plate. The result was eight home runs over his final 28 games after he had hit only three in his first 26 contests. "I refined last year," Votto said. "I'll be better than the back little bit of the season just because I've worked on it and I'll dedicate myself to it. I can't wait. I'm so excited." Votto is now 37 and hasn't done much for fantasy managers in three seasons, so file this under "we'll believe it when we see it." The good news is he's dirt cheap in fantasy leagues.

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    It's a little silly, but I like milestones. It will be fun to see him pass 300 HR's and 1,000 RBI's this year. Hopefully 2,000 hits as well.

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    Here's to hoping Joey has a good '21 ... and I'll be able to watch him on TV (lol)
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    IMO, Votto needs more rest. If you look at guys that excel in their later years, they tend to play fewer games. Unfortunately, the Reds really don't have the personnel to sit him against tough LHP etc.
    I know he wants to be out there every day, in part because he thinks he owes the fans due to his contract, but a rested Votto is a productive Votto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    I swear to god there is nothing Joey can do to please Reds fans (or even some of his certain Cy Young winning idiot former teammates!)
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    Reading Votto's comments, I thought he was pretty clear that his intent was not to sacrifice his power but was an unintended consequence of trying to walk more and strikeout less. After his benching in 2020, he made the adjustments necessary to go back to a more "natural" approach. He has been stubbornly chasing his 2017 season the last 2-1/2 years (until the last stretch of 2020).

    Personally, I think Votto has made 3 big "mistakes" in his career: spoiled fans with nearly a decade of exceptional play, accepted the massive contract offered to him (that was always going to iffy on the back end) and began his natural decline in his mid-30s

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    Re: Votto 2021 Thread

    Ultimate troll job - Votto waits until both Brennamans are gone to try to hit for more power again.

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    Re: Votto 2021 Thread

    I suspect we'll see a drop in BA as Votto sacrifices for power. Would a 250/350/450 1B 37-year-old 1B be okay with everyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    Oh boy, what did I miss?
    I believe he was referring to Trevor Bauer, who seemed to be unhappy with Votto's play. I always believed that the greatest hindrance to the Reds re-signing Bauer was not money, but Votto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS21 View Post
    I believe he was referring to Trevor Bauer, who seemed to be unhappy with Votto's play. I always believed that the greatest hindrance to the Reds re-signing Bauer was not money, but Votto.
    Who knows if Votto had something to do with it or not, but the Reds were never going to pay that kind of money to re-sign Bauer no matter what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxingRed View Post
    IMO, Votto needs more rest. If you look at guys that excel in their later years, they tend to play fewer games. Unfortunately, the Reds really don't have the personnel to sit him against tough LHP etc.
    I know he wants to be out there every day, in part because he thinks he owes the fans due to his contract, but a rested Votto is a productive Votto.

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    Fully agree about the rest. There’s an argument Votto should sit one game almost every series. Should get no more than 400-450 PAs.

    Reds could find a way to do this if they stock the bench properly. Especially if no DH, with the overflow of OFers looking for playing time. It should be a priority to have a “Plan B” for first base going into the season.
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    Re: Votto 2021 Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    I suspect we'll see a drop in BA as Votto sacrifices for power. Would a 250/350/450 1B 37-year-old 1B be okay with everyone?
    I think we'll see something more like 280/340/460, but yeah I'd be pretty happy with a 800 OPS from Votto. Something like a return to rookie-year Votto would be sweet. Probably won't be enough for the haters, though.


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