Regardless of what else he said, the comments about Kelenic and Gilbert would make me believe those two have open and shut cases for a grievance against the Mariners.
Ron Madden (02-22-2021)
just a correction: he didn't say seager was "probably" overpaid. he said he was overpaid, period. and he's 100% right. i don't care about PC nonsense and trying to say the right thing all the time. honesty is refreshing. nothing he said was false. he did have to give a faux-apology just to appease the PC crowd. but this is much ado about nothing.
Norm Chortleton (02-22-2021)
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Here is the transcript, he literally said "probably"
https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2021/...st-rotary-club
Regardless of "probably" or just plain "overpaid", it has nothing to do with "PC nonsense", like westofyou said, it's just bad business. He was asked a question about positive leadership stories and his response was (I'm paraphrasing) Kyle Seager is probably overpaid but he's had a great attitude with the rebuild. If he was asked if Seager was overpaid and he said "yeah, probably" I'd cut the guy some slack but he went out of his way to comment on his contract publicly. He's the President of the Seattle Mariners, how does that (or any of the things listed above) help the Seattle Mariners in any capacity?
There are plenty of things that are honest that don't need to be said because they are damaging
Ron Madden (02-22-2021)
If the honest statement is "I'm dumb/don't know when to shut up", you should keep going.
Don't let the PC police force you to appear smarter than you are.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Norm Chortleton (02-22-2021)
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Chicago #Cubs 1B Anthony Rizzo on #Mariners CEO Kevin Mather's comments on intentionally keeping players in the minors simply to manipulate service time: "It's pretty annoying and frustrating. I'm glad its out there in the public now and people can see how it is.''MLBPA Communications
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The Major League Baseball Players Association today issued the following statement with regard to recent remarks made by Seattle Mariners President and CEO Kevin Mather:
https://mobile.twitter.com/MLBPA_New...716297/photo/1
Kingspoint (02-22-2021)
It happens all the time. You sign a player to a multi-year contact and he doesn't produce up to expectations.
If you think the player is giving max effort and his skills have simply diminished, yeah, that's on you. But I don't begrudge management if they think it's for other reasons and say something.
As far as the service-time snafu, negotiate a solution if possible. Until then, you just have to live with it.
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Last edited by Norm Chortleton; 02-22-2021 at 03:01 PM.
This is specifically about Kyle Seager. I've seen 0 indication that his performance decrease is anything other than talent miss-evaluation. The fans seem to love him. I can't find a single bad thing anyone has said about him outside of his performance. Do you have any information specifically about Kyle Seager that justifies management calling him out like this?
Even if it wasn't about Seager, when did a Reds executive call out a player publicly for being overpaid? I can't think of a time that has happened in recent memory - you may not have a problem with it but most people would. It's bad business, it keeps potential free agents from signing with you, and does nothing to help your team.
This is why there will be either a shortened 2022 season or no season at all. Don't complain about the inevitable strike if your advice for now is "just live with it."
Last edited by Joeyjection19; 02-22-2021 at 03:39 PM.
Ron Madden (02-22-2021)
Kyle Seagar is a Mariner fan favorite, he's not a superstar by any measurement but he is 5th in games played for the franchise and will end up being 4th behind Junior, Edgar and Ichiro. He was thrown under the bus by the team president for a Rotary Club Zoom Call, the team president of a franchise that hasn't been to a playoff game since Seagar was 14 years old. That's brand building at its worst
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Many players are "overpaid" others are "underpaid" - I don't think he said "we also got value from xx player because he's underpaid" (which would also be a problem motivating someone underpaid - in any profession. Basically, the President of the Mariners needs to never speak in public again if he is going to keep his job.
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
Even if the primary issue here was political (it isn't) - this is untrue.
There's a full, unedited 45 minute video. What context are we missing?
Last edited by Joeyjection19; 02-22-2021 at 03:36 PM.
cincinnati chili (02-23-2021)
I doubt that. Texas is actually becoming more purple than states like Ohio these days, which is deep red now.
Either way: if that were true, it says more about TX than Seattle. And what’s out of context? People have read the actual verbatim transcript. He said what he said.
What would you say.....ya do here?
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