"Even a bad day at the ballpark beats the snot out of most other good days. I'll take my scorecard and pencil and beer and hot dog and rage at the dips and cheer at the highs, but I'm not ever going to stop loving this game and this team and nobody will ever take that away from me." Roy Tucker October 2010
Dang, what did Moustakas do to you? Is it a great contract, no. Is it terrible, also no. He’s going to be a 2-3 war 2B making $16 Mil a year. Basically earning his pay.
Yeah the Reds should be trying to pay as few people as possible their fair market value, but Moustakas isn’t going to hold this team back. Especially when we can develop pitchers and not hitters.
"Today was the byproduct of us thinking we can come back from anything." - Joey Votto after blowing a 10-1 lead and holding on for the 12-11 win on 8/25/2010.
Edd Roush (03-09-2021),HammerTime (03-06-2021),MoneyInTheBank (03-06-2021)
Yes, Miley was clearly a mistake signing.
Yes, I understand, a lot of people are optimistic he can turn it around, and I don't want to be a party pooper about that.
But honestly, I think if it was possible to go back in time, not sign Miley, and have that cash to spend on different player(s), I think everyone would want to do that.
We're stuck with him, hopefully he pitches ok.
I guess I don't see the Reds as contenders this year, so I'm not really stressing out over it.
Sure, it's possible the Reds could make an unexpanded playoffs if everything goes well. I just think it's unlikely.
Miley is one of multiple guys that really has to come through to make it happen.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
I think when the contract was signed it was pretty clear year 4 was going to be iffy, but that is usually what happens when you dip into free agency. You hope that the value comes back over the life of the contract. If you believe in Fangraphs WAR/value conversion, Moustakas actually outperformed his 2020 salary despite having a bit of a down year.
Right. My problem isn't with the contracts, but with the direction of the franchise. If you're going to open up the pocketbook and make a run for a flag to then turn it around the next year and not make obvious improvements to your team on the field seems short sighted. The reds have spent most of my children's lives being a team whose "hope" relies on everything breaking the right way. Good franchises, meaning franchises that actually attract fans, aren't run that way.
"Even a bad day at the ballpark beats the snot out of most other good days. I'll take my scorecard and pencil and beer and hot dog and rage at the dips and cheer at the highs, but I'm not ever going to stop loving this game and this team and nobody will ever take that away from me." Roy Tucker October 2010
REDREAD (03-06-2021)
The reds are a passive, reactive, bottom feeding team. Giving Wade Miley 16m is just another blunder in a comical litany of hilarious transaction/non transactions of the last 30 years.
Run off nepotism, historic nostalgia and small town thinking.
The reds don’t try to compete or build a consistent winner. They try to luck into contention every 8-12 years then go back and die
They’re big moment was last year. Now they’re back to bottom feeders
If Wade Miley's the biggest problem on this roster, the Reds will be far better than I hoped.
dfs (03-06-2021),Edd Roush (03-09-2021),M2 (03-06-2021),Ron Madden (03-06-2021),Tom Servo (03-06-2021)
The reds last player who played when they were 22 or younger was jay Bruce in 2008. That’s the longest drought in baseball. 13 teams had a guy 22 or younger last year.
What a franchise.
JFLegal (03-08-2021)
Griffey012 (03-06-2021)
Miley is capable of having a decent year, he’s had them in the past. There’s a team full of players looking for a bounce back year. He’s only gonna top out at 90mph but he’s a LH that throws 6 pitches and he’s a ground ball pitcher. There’s a place for a guy like this on your team. If he fails as a number 5 starter then he could make a decent bullpen guy coming into games following speed pitchers. These are the type of vets that teach younger guys a new pitch. I know that’s what coaches are for but not every coach has gotten MLers out with 6 pitches. He might suck this year but so might the first baseman or any other player on this team.
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