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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    It’s going to be hard to find a starting catcher for under $7M. Christian Vasquez and Travis d’Arnaud are getting more, and they compare well to Barnhart.

    If Stephenson steps up as expected, there’s little reason to keep Tucker at that cost, however,
    Catcher could be next year’s shortstop.

    Nah, Stephenson will be the starting catcher next year.
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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

    stephenson was taken #11 overall in the draft. extremely high for a catcher. if he is not at least a decent starter during his reds' career, that is a massive fail.

    i'm confident he will do well. continued to make progress in the minors and really flashed during his cameo appearances with the reds in 2020.

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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

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    stephenson was taken #11 overall in the draft. extremely high for a catcher. if he is not at least a decent starter during his reds' career, that is a massive fail.

    i'm confident he will do well. continued to make progress in the minors and really flashed during his cameo appearances with the reds in 2020.
    I don't know if Stephenson will succeed or fail, but that 11th overall pick is going to get him a couple seasons in a regular role to see if he can step up and that's why Barnhart is gone no matter how Stephenson performs. In 2022, Stephenson likely starts 60% of the games no matter what he does this year. If he succeeds, he won the job. If he fails, he learned valuable lessons and they will want to see how he adjusts. if he was a 15th round pick, he'd need to win the job. Not saying I agree with the approach, but it's how it is IMO.
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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Catcher could be next year’s shortstop.
    They will move someone there who last played it in the minors?

    Votto is going to be earning those bucks
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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I don't know if Stephenson will succeed or fail, but that 11th overall pick is going to get him a couple seasons in a regular role to see if he can step up and that's why Barnhart is gone no matter how Stephenson performs. In 2022, Stephenson likely starts 60% of the games no matter what he does this year. If he succeeds, he won the job. If he fails, he learned valuable lessons and they will want to see how he adjusts. if he was a 15th round pick, he'd need to win the job. Not saying I agree with the approach, but it's how it is IMO.
    this is true. it's why a guy like drew stubbs got so much rope. if he had been a 10th round pick instead of a first-rounder, he wouldn't have been anointed as the centerfielder/leadoff hitter of the future. the reds managed to ignore the fact that he struggled in the minors and eventually made him the CF/leadoff hitter as they had planned all along. why? because of that first-round status.

    i do have a much better feeling about tyler stephenson than i ever did about stubbs, though. stephenson looked like he belonged during his brief appearances in 2020. very small sample size, but i liked what i saw a lot.

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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    They will move someone there who last played it in the minors?

    Votto is going to be earning those bucks
    Or they will bring Jason LaRue back.
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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

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    this is true. it's why a guy like drew stubbs got so much rope. if he had been a 10th round pick instead of a first-rounder, he wouldn't have been anointed as the centerfielder/leadoff hitter of the future. the reds managed to ignore the fact that he struggled in the minors and eventually made him the CF/leadoff hitter as they had planned all along. why? because of that first-round status.

    i do have a much better feeling about tyler stephenson than i ever did about stubbs, though. stephenson looked like he belonged during his brief appearances in 2020. very small sample size, but i liked what i saw a lot.
    Yeah, but did you know how fast he was?

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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

    It should be but BobC will step in and hang on to him since he probably thinks people come to the ballpark to watch their beloved Barnhart.
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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyInTheBank View Post
    Yeah, but did you know how fast he was?
    ha. for some reason, drew struggled stealing first.

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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyInTheBank View Post
    Yeah, but did you know how fast he was?
    His 2010 season wasn’t too shabby. After that though....

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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

    Quote Originally Posted by Old school 1983 View Post
    His 2010 season wasn’t too shabby. After that though....
    Stubbs was never a star or even above average player, but he was a solid, league average CF for many years. He put up 11.6 fWAR over 6 full seasons, and averaged 2 fWAR per 550 PA’s. Most of that production was as a Red.

    He was a successful #1 pick, even if he never busted out like many had hoped.
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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

    Just saw this and thought it was kind of funny:

    On September 15, 2012, Stubbs was involved in MLB history when his batted groundball was bobbled by Marlins SS Jose Reyes; that would turn out to be MLB's 500,000th error.
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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Stubbs was never a star or even above average player, but he was a solid, league average CF for many years. He put up 11.6 fWAR over 6 full seasons, and averaged 2 fWAR per 550 PA’s. Most of that production was as a Red.

    He was a successful #1 pick, even if he never busted out like many had hoped.
    Stubbs was miscast as a leadoff hitter though, just because he had WR speed. Because of his low OBP, he should have been used as a low-OBP power hitter who happened to be very fast, and planted in the #6 spot in the batting order. I think he would have had more success in that role.

    I still think that somewhere in his past he chose the wrong sport, though. A 6'3", 205 lb. kid from Texas who ran a 4.5 40 and had good hands? I can only guess that he didn't like contact (which his baseball career also bore out).
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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Klu View Post
    Stubbs was miscast as a leadoff hitter though, just because he had WR speed. Because of his low OBP, he should have been used as a low-OBP power hitter who happened to be very fast, and planted in the #6 spot in the batting order. I think he would have had more success in that role.

    I still think that somewhere in his past he chose the wrong sport, though. A 6'3", 205 lb. kid from Texas who ran a 4.5 40 and had good hands? I can only guess that he didn't like contact (which his baseball career also bore out).
    He made $15 million + his signing bonus. I think he did ok!
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    Re: Could This Season Be Barnhart’s Last In Cincinnati?

    If the Reds are out of it by the ASB, Barnhart won't even finish the season with CIN - he'll be traded to a contender. No point worrying about the option at this point.

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