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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    Quote Originally Posted by Joey Blotto View Post
    Personally I hate the idea of a rule that forces a fielder to stand in a spot where he doesn't think the ball is going to be hit. At that point what's the point of even having defenders? Might as well just paint SINGLE/DOUBLE/TRIPLE zones on the grass.
    That sums up my feelings as well Joey Blotto. Well put.
    Huh? Huh-uh. Oh yeah, uh-huh.

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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    I would not limit the shifts by outfielders at this point and I would not restrict a team from bringing one in to the infield to have 5 up front. I don't think outfield shifts have the same effect as the infield ones at this point so it doesn't need to be addressed. Start with the least change at first and see if anything else is required.

    You asked the original question. Did you not really want an answer? While I proposed language I don't really care that much if there is a change.
    I indeed do want answers, and yours is one of the better ideas I've heard, but still presents complications. I hear "ban the shift" all the time but very seldom hear details, and hope this thread can convince some of the folly of even trying!
    Huh? Huh-uh. Oh yeah, uh-huh.

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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    The shift sucks and I'm tired of watching the gimmick baseball it brings. Two fielders on each side of second base.

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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    Quote Originally Posted by Coopdaddy67 View Post
    It's not like you can take an 98 mph fastball on the inside corner the other way.
    Why not ban 98 mph fastballs? Or pitches on the inside corner? Or both? Makes as much sense as telling players to stand where the batter will never hit it.

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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm Chortleton View Post
    Why not ban 98 mph fastballs? Or pitches on the inside corner? Or both? Makes as much sense as telling players to stand where the batter will never hit it.
    No it doesn’t lol



    I don’t get it at all, people find the most arbitrary reasons to be upset about banning something that nearly objectively makes the game a lot more boring. Baseball is one of the only major sports that doesn’t have some kind of rule about how you can position your players.

    It makes it harder for fielders to get to the ball if they can’t all stand where it’s definitely going to be hit? Ah well then why doesn’t football allow the defensive end to stand right over the quarterback before the ball is snapped? He knows that’s exactly where the ball is going to be snapped right?

    It’s asinine. The shift sucks. Get rid of it.

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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    I'm more concerned with increasing the amount of balls-in-play than where defenders position themselves. Is an infield shift ban going to increase the rate batters make contact?

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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    I don’t get it at all, people find the most arbitrary reasons to be upset about banning something that nearly objectively makes the game a lot more boring.
    I can only speak for myself, but I don't think getting dead pull hitters a few more base hits per year justifies massively dumbing down defensive strategy. On net, I'd expect the result to be (slightly) more boring.

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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I'm more concerned with increasing the amount of balls-in-play than where defenders position themselves. Is an infield shift ban going to increase the rate batters make contact?
    Yes, because hitters will be rewarded for hitting line drives at a much higher rate than they currently are. This encourages line drives, and discourages the 3 true outcome approach.

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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    Quote Originally Posted by Joey Blotto View Post
    I can only speak for myself, but I don't think getting dead pull hitters a few more base hits per year justifies massively dumbing down defensive strategy. On net, I'd expect the result to be (slightly) more boring.
    That’s just a part of it, and it’s not just dead pull hitters. Is Votto a dead pull hitter? It’s drastically effecting left handed hitters. The result is hitters are trying to just swing for the fence every time. This has resulted in a ton of strikeouts and balls hit right at the 2nd basemen that is standing 50 feet into right field. It sucks and it’s ruining the sport.
    What would you say.....ya do here?

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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    Quote Originally Posted by Joey Blotto View Post
    I can only speak for myself, but I don't think getting dead pull hitters a few more base hits per year justifies massively dumbing down defensive strategy. On net, I'd expect the result to be (slightly) more boring.
    I fail to see what’s interesting or exciting whatsoever about managers looking up a chart and then stacking all their guys in RF so every decently hit ball automatically turns into an out. I find the game to be a lot more interesting when there’s actual base hits and fielders have to actually try to make impressive plays.

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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    I fail to see what’s interesting or exciting whatsoever about managers looking up a chart and then stacking all their guys in RF so every decently hit ball automatically turns into an out. I find the game to be a lot more interesting when there’s actual base hits and fielders have to actually try to make impressive plays.
    It's interesting in the same way that it's interesting when a football defense plays nickel defense against a QB who regularly makes deep throws.

    They shouldn't be forced to stay in a 4-3 because some people think offense sells tickets. At least in my opinion.

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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    And if it's an issue of it being too hard for hitters to miss gloves, I would prefer to go to 8 fielders rather than to dictate where each has to stand.

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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    What if a team with great pitching and bad hitting moved the outfield walls to 550 feet? What that be cool too?

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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    Quote Originally Posted by Joey Blotto View Post
    It's interesting in the same way that it's interesting when a football defense plays nickel defense against a QB who regularly makes deep throws.

    They shouldn't be forced to stay in a 4-3 because some people think offense sells tickets. At least in my opinion.
    There are rules in place about where players can be lined up, such as having 7 on the LOS.

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    Re: Banning the Shift: not if, but how

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverfrontRed View Post
    There are rules in place about where players can be lined up, such as having 7 on the LOS.
    Not for the defense. They're free to stand anywhere on their side of the line.


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