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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    If true, I'll hate that Calipari plays two no-range bigs together.

    I much prefer the frenetic, five-out, shoot from everywhere, hard-core man to man, 94 feet of Hell style of play. Give me old school Nolan Richardson, please. Or Dick Motta. Or Cal at Memphis. Or Cal early in his Kentucky tenure.
    That would have been the case if Cockburn came.

    Letís assume UK gets Duren:

    Guards: Sahvir Wheeler, TyTy Washington, CJ Fredrick, Davion Mintz, Kellan Grady

    Forwards: Jacob Toppin, Dontaie Allen, Bryce Hopkins, Keion Brooks, Daimion Collins

    Bigs: Oscar Tshiebwe, Lance Ware, Jalen Duren

    The likely starting lineup:
    PG-Wheeler
    SG-Washington
    SF-Grady
    PF-Brooks
    C-Tshiebwe/Duren

    Need shooters:
    PG-Washington
    SG-Mintz
    SF-Brady
    PF-Fredrick
    C-Brooks

    Need size-
    PG-Washington
    SG-Grady
    SF-Toppin
    PF-Collins
    C-Duren/Tshiebwe

    This might be the most interchangeable roster since 2014-2015 and the most experience and depth since 1995-1996.
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    Duren to Memphis. Going to be fun to watch Memphis if they land Bates too. Penny is likely coaching for his job this year after Wiseman blew up in his face and a lot of players hit the transfer portal.

    Kentuckys roster is set. Canít be worse than last year.
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    Non conference full schedule to be released later today. Kentucky is playing High Point on December 31st. First game back at Rupp for Tubby Smith.
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    Non conference full schedule to be released later today. Kentucky is playing High Point on December 31st. First game back at Rupp for Tubby Smith.
    Good to see that. I hope they raise a banner in the rafters for him. I harbor no bad feelings toward Tubby like some UK fans do. Overall he did well at UK. He just stayed a couple of years too long. He probably should have left after the 2005 season. He coached two of my favorite all time teams at UK, the 1998 championship team and the 2003 team that lost to Marquette in the regional finals. That team was really fun to watch. They just caught Dwayne Wade having a career day and Bogans being hurt was the nail in the coffin for that game.
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    Re: UK Basketball 2021-2022: Back on Track?

    Here's the rest of the non-conference schedule.


    https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-w...ence-schedule/
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    Kentucky's recruiting has been ridiculous this season.

    Shaedon Sharpe and Skyy Clark are committed. Cason Wallace is seemingly a Kentucky lean as a combo guard too. Derrick Lively is apparently a Kentucky lean as a center, and Chris Livingston is a Kentucky lean as a small forward as well.

    That's the number one at C, SG, CG, and SF and the number two at PG. Woof.

    I do wonder how that will fit with any who might return after this season.

    CJ Fredrick, Jacob Toppin, Sahvir Wheeler, Dontaie Allen, Bryce Hopkins, Lance Ware, maybe Daimion Collins and Keion Brooks too.

    Speaking of this season, it'll be fascinating to watch them play, if only to see if Calipari really does open up to modern basketball offensive sets. He's got the players to go with four-out sets (with Tshiebwe in the middle) primarily and a few five-out sets (if Collins is for real on his shot).

    Another facet of this team might be how strong it is in the backcourt.

    Grady, Wheeler, and Mintz are going to play. A lot. Ty Ty Washington is getting some serious love as well. Fredrick (when healthy-- if healthy) and Allen should, based on their ability to stretch defenses, see a whole bunch of minutes too.

    That would seem to be six guys-- and three positions. (Grady and Allen at the SF position, Wheeler and Washington at the PG, Mintz and Frederick at the combo guard spot.)

    Tshiebwe and Collins are underneath. Add Ware as a mop-up guy there if you'd like.

    That leaves Brooks, Jacob Toppin, and Bryce Hopkins for the PF spot.

    That would seem to be at least one too many.

    How will that work out, Cat fans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    Kentucky's recruiting has been ridiculous this season.

    Shaedon Sharpe and Skyy Clark are committed. Cason Wallace is seemingly a Kentucky lean as a combo guard too. Derrick Lively is apparently a Kentucky lean as a center, and Chris Livingston is a Kentucky lean as a small forward as well.

    That's the number one at C, SG, CG, and SF and the number two at PG. Woof.

    I do wonder how that will fit with any who might return after this season.

    CJ Fredrick, Jacob Toppin, Sahvir Wheeler, Dontaie Allen, Bryce Hopkins, Lance Ware, maybe Daimion Collins and Keion Brooks too.

    Speaking of this season, it'll be fascinating to watch them play, if only to see if Calipari really does open up to modern basketball offensive sets. He's got the players to go with four-out sets (with Tshiebwe in the middle) primarily and a few five-out sets (if Collins is for real on his shot).

    Another facet of this team might be how strong it is in the backcourt.

    Grady, Wheeler, and Mintz are going to play. A lot. Ty Ty Washington is getting some serious love as well. Fredrick (when healthy-- if healthy) and Allen should, based on their ability to stretch defenses, see a whole bunch of minutes too.

    That would seem to be six guys-- and three positions. (Grady and Allen at the SF position, Wheeler and Washington at the PG, Mintz and Frederick at the combo guard spot.)

    Tshiebwe and Collins are underneath. Add Ware as a mop-up guy there if you'd like.

    That leaves Brooks, Jacob Toppin, and Bryce Hopkins for the PF spot.

    That would seem to be at least one too many.

    How will that work out, Cat fans?
    Livingston committed Wednesday night and Lively is making his decision Monday night. Iím thinking Cal likely told him to make his decision before Adem Bona did. If this is the case itís a more proactive approach that hasnít happened lately.

    As far as returning players go, I donít even want to take a stab at it. With NIL, reclassifications, and the transfer portal, itís entirely possible next seasons roster will look significantly different than the roster we see this season.

    Best case scenario I hope for is a final four type of run this season similar to 2014 where the team bands together with every incoming player next season to run it back like the 2015 season.

    As for how the roster works out this upcoming season, I touched on that in an earlier post. Take out Duren and itís still the same. This is the most interchangeable roster that Iíve seen at Kentucky in terms of depth, experience, and matchups.
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    As for how the roster works out this upcoming season, I touched on that in an earlier post. Take out Duren and itís still the same. This is the most interchangeable roster that Iíve seen at Kentucky in terms of depth, experience, and matchups.
    I like the shooting that's available and hope desperately that Calipari buys into the need for at least two shooters on the floor at the same time. Better to have three. (Modern basketball insists four.) If Sahvir Wheeler's in the game, he needs to be surrounded by shoot-first perimeter guys. Ditto Tshiebwe at center. (Those two shouldn't often see the floor together at any rate.)

    I hope I'm wrong, but Cal's history is to eschew the shooter for the defender virtually every time. And guys like Collins, Brooks, and Toppin are capable defenders. Hopkins is a big kid who's shown toughness. That's mother's milk to Cal.

    After Grady's minutes, I'm expecting him to shoehorn at least one of those PF into the SF slot for rebounding and defense, similarly to how he's done most of his time at Kentucky. That means Allen and Fredrick get squeezed. Heck, he may just ignore the three guard lineup completely, play Grady at SG instead, give SG minutes to Mintz, and play Wheeler with Washington at the point.

    Sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    I like the shooting that's available and hope desperately that Calipari buys into the need for at least two shooters on the floor at the same time. Better to have three. (Modern basketball insists four.) If Sahvir Wheeler's in the game, he needs to be surrounded by shoot-first perimeter guys. Ditto Tshiebwe at center. (Those two shouldn't often see the floor together at any rate.)

    I hope I'm wrong, but Cal's history is to eschew the shooter for the defender virtually every time. And guys like Collins, Brooks, and Toppin are capable defenders. Hopkins is a big kid who's shown toughness. That's mother's milk to Cal.

    After Grady's minutes, I'm expecting him to shoehorn at least one of those PF into the SF slot for rebounding and defense, similarly to how he's done most of his time at Kentucky. That means Allen and Fredrick get squeezed. Heck, he may just ignore the three guard lineup completely, play Grady at SG instead, give SG minutes to Mintz, and play Wheeler with Washington at the point.

    Sigh.
    Donít know if you followed it or not but Cal has alluded to going to a four guard lineup.

    https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-w...heavy-offense/

    Until we see it in action though is a different story.
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    Scuttle is Lively is going to pick Duke. Could change between now and then but the Crystal Ball is shifting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    Don’t know if you followed it or not but Cal has alluded to going to a four guard lineup.

    https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-w...heavy-offense/

    Until we see it in action though is a different story.
    He's pledged to play faster too. And to shoot more threes. And to use the dribble-drive more often. And to press.

    Cal says he's going to do a lot of things. Then he almost always falls back on what he knows.

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    Lively to Duke. Scheyer is likely to finish with the no 1 recruiting class even if Kentucky finishes with Bona and Wallace.
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    Lively to Duke. Scheyer is likely to finish with the no 1 recruiting class even if Kentucky finishes with Bona and Wallace.
    Its to the point where I "hate" Duke more than I do you guys!

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    Its to the point where I "hate" Duke more than I do you guys!
    And that my friends is some extreme hate.
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