REDREAD (04-22-2021)
I"m sure Brody is a great coach, but man, the Reds really have not given him much to work with.
5 marginal bullpen arms and Hoffman in the rotation.. that's a lot of miracles to ask.
I realize Lorenzen was an unexpected injury, but other than that, they are at full strength.
This reeks of the "Gullet can fix him" plan that the Reds did for about a decade.
A good coach can only do so much, especially when he's given garbage.
He's been given a collection of castoffs that other teams did not want to carry on their 40 man roster..
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
The issue was Reds’ exclusion this off-season of a whole class of available upper echelon relievers and starters.
Name dropping? Who cares, Reds weren’t spending. I’m confident Reds would have made reasonable individual decisions, they usually do when signing guys.
The “dead horse” here is the constant refrain that relievers are a total guessing game to be selected only from the bargain basement. So far, the result isn’t too great, hopefully it will change.
Last edited by Kc61; 04-22-2021 at 01:15 AM.
REDREAD (04-22-2021)
yea, good obseravation. Kind of funny, the Baker/Jocketty combo was the best success we've seen since 95/99.. yet they were panned because they were "Traditionalist , not stats guys, etc".. Since then , we've seen a parade of supposedly enlightened stat guys and the team just keeps getting worse and worse. I mean, I get it.. when a GM or manager changes, people want to be optimistic, pick up a few quotes that give them hope, etc
But the Reds have been feeding us this nonsense nonstop since the Bowden era.
"We are modernizing analytics"
"We are going to be more aggressive in Latin America"
"We are going to start being aggressive in Asia"
"We are going to rebuild the farm"
etc
Just a bunch of empty talk, then a few years later, the new guys come in and pretty much say the same thing, but nothing improves.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
And he prioritized one over the other. I'm not saying he didn't want to win the game or that he thought they would lose if he put Garrett in.
I'm saying his decision prioritized getting Garrett going first, winning the game second. I have a very hard time believing that Bell thought putting Garrett in the 9th gave the Reds the best chance of winning this game.
Do you:
(a) put in the person who will give you the best chance to to win the game
or
(b) put in Garrett in hopes to get him going and show him that you have confidence in him AND then also win the game
Well I don’t think people realize how analytical he was in regards to people. All kidding aside Dusty had a HOF type closer and even he would have these games where he would get hit and blow games. He still at least handled a bullpen better than Price and Bell. LeClure and Ondrusek were not exactly the beat of arms either.
I call BS in these I’m an analytical manager who doesn’t follow the book. On this team there should be no set closer. Do you want to win games or make people feel good. I would rather they win games. No wonder they have such a happy clubhouse. Great that the manager covers your behind. Has confidence in you. How about caring about winning games too.
But he didn't though. He thought Garrett gave the team the best chance to win. Amir Garrett is his closer. He named him that for a reason. He didn't toss Sal Romano out there to "get him going". He put his closer in with a 3 run lead, bases empty in the 9th. We can debate all day whether that is the right decision but he doesn't have the fan mentality of changing his opinion on a player after 5 appearances. If you want to argue he's stubbornly sticking with Garrett in the closer role? I can buy that argument. I'm just pushing back on questioning Bell's integrity because he put his closer in for a save situation.
The question would be is why is Garrett the closer to begin with. I wouldn’t even say Sims is either. But during the first 2 weeks it did not look like Garrett at all. So coming into this game unless Sims or even Doolittle who’s been pitching very well would have been the better options.
Like I said, why Amir Garrett was the closer to begin with is a legit question (although it didn't take us long to forget him throwing 4 perfect innings in Spring Training with 10 strikeouts). Like Kc61 has pointed out, Sims and Doolittle had to close out game 1 just a couple hours earlier. In fact, Sims would have had to pitch twice the same day after pitching the night before. I would have loved for the Reds to spend a few bucks on a good closer just like I would have liked to see them spend a few bucks on a SS. They didn't. Bell likes Garrett as his closer and put him in for a save situation. I don't know why it's that controversial.
I wasn’t really disagreeing with you as well.
It is amusing how everyone says no one should be given a spot based on ST numbers. And sure enough Garrett and Bedrosian had some of the best ST numbers. 1 gets to be closer the other made the team.
They may be going through dead arm periods too. They used to happen during the middle to end of ST. Now since pitchers are coddled even more during ST. The dead arm hits in April
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