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    Re: Covid-19 Epilogue

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    And some people insisted that it was a wild conspiracy theory to even ask the question until very recently because it was this one guy's preferred theory.
    I'm sure that happened, but it wasn't me.
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    I'm sure that happened, but it wasn't me.
    They know who they are.

    We're only on Stage 3 and they are already moving the goal posts.
    "Lemonade requires a significant amount of sugar. Otherwise, you've just made lemon juice."

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    I'm sure that happened, but it wasn't me.
    I agree. But you seem to have a lot of faith in the people and institutinos that did. Government scientists. Establishment media.

    I have faith in those people and institutions as well. Less and less, though, and it's difficult because there is no good alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Red View Post
    I agree. But you seem to have a lot of faith in the people and institutinos that did. Government scientists. Establishment media.

    I have faith in those people and institutions as well. Less and less, though, and it's difficult because there is no good alternative.
    Am I right in that the default mindset of many conservatives (not necessarily you) is that they expect to be lied to and/or taken advantage of?
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    I don't really have any idea. It does not sound familiar to me, but I can't say you're wrong.

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    Re: Covid-19 Epilogue

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    Am I right in that the default mindset of many conservatives (not necessarily you) is that they expect to be lied to and/or taken advantage of?
    Speaking for myself, 2020 was the nail in the coffin as far as my faith in our leaders goes.

    It's all a cash grab.
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    Re: Covid-19 Epilogue

    You should 100% expect mass corporate media to lie and misrepresent to you. That shouldn’t be a conservative mindset.

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    Re: Covid-19 Epilogue

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    Dr. Anthony Fauci Book Scrubbed From Amazon, Barnes & Noble After Premature Posts



    It's amazing how wrong some people will allow themselves to be in pursuit of making others look bad.
    This isn't news. I posted this 2 days ago

    https://www.redszone.com/forums/show...=1#post4261542

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    I just spoke to my son in Germany, and although they are quite a ways behind us, things are starting to loosen up a little bit there, and he was having a weizenbier and bratwurst with his uncle at an outdoor café when we talked. One thing I’ve note is that Germany has tried to implement a vaccine passport system, but now the market is booming for fake passports. The Word on the street is that they’re going to ditch the effort as soon as the vaccination rate is high enough to drive the Covid numbers way down. Right now they have 18% fully vaccinated.

    He’s heading to France on Monday, and even though they are even further behind, he hopes that things are opening up at least in the coastal villages on the Mediterranean. They currently have a countrywide 9 PM curfew, but it will be extended to 11 PM on Monday. Macron he’s trying to also use a vaccine passport, but there’s a lot of opposition to it.

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    Re: Covid-19 Epilogue

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongVerb View Post
    I wish we could let that remain inconclusive until there's a proper, open investigation. (I doubt there ever will be, so people will pontificate on it.) The preponderance of evidence shows it likely wasn't a lab leak. But lab leaks do happen, and China reflexively covers up anything that makes them look bad, so it's worth asking the question. Unfortunately, many people can't just leave it as an open question, like they're driven by some silly admonishment that every question MUST have an answer.
    I have posted all kinds of sources who disagree with you. They feel the preponderance of the evidence shows that it did start in Wuhan. One is from MIT. These are very well educated sources. i suggest you open your mind to what they're saying

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    Quote Originally Posted by BernieCarbo View Post
    I just spoke to my son in Germany, and although they are quite a ways behind us, things are starting to loosen up a little bit there, and he was having a weizenbier and bratwurst with his uncle at an outdoor café when we talked. One thing I’ve note is that Germany has tried to implement a vaccine passport system, but now the market is booming for fake passports. The Word on the street is that they’re going to ditch the effort as soon as the vaccination rate is high enough to drive the Covid numbers way down. Right now they have 18% fully vaccinated.

    He’s heading to France on Monday, and even though they are even further behind, he hopes that things are opening up at least in the coastal villages on the Mediterranean. They currently have a countrywide 9 PM curfew, but it will be extended to 11 PM on Monday. Macron he’s trying to also use a vaccine passport, but there’s a lot of opposition to it.
    Is your son vaccinated?

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    Re: Covid-19 Epilogue

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    You should 100% expect mass corporate media to lie and misrepresent to you. That shouldn’t be a conservative mindset.
    They sure did with C19. Here's the evidence:

    "Ninety one percent of stories by U.S. major media outlets are negative in tone versus fifty four percent for non-U.S. major sources and sixty five percent for scientific journals," found Dartmouth economics professor Bruce Sacredote and two co-authors in "Why Is All COVID-19 News Bad News?" Published by the National Bureau of Economic Research. "The negativity of the U.S. major media is notable even in areas with positive scientific developments including school re-openings and vaccine trials. Media negativity is unresponsive to changing trends in new COVID-19 cases or the political leanings of the audience."
    That led to a very misinformed populace:

    Unsurprisingly, when officials and the media tell people that the sky is falling, a fair number will take them seriously—at least until they discover that they've been misled. When asked what percentage of COVID-19 patients require hospitalization, "Less than one in five U.S. adults (18%) give a correct answer of between 1 and 5%," the Brookings Institution's Jonathan Rothwell and Franklin Templeton's Sonal Desai reported of polling data. "Many adults (35%) say that at least half of infected people need hospitalization. If that were true, the millions of resulting patients would have overwhelmed hospitals throughout the pandemic."
    Are there still people here on RZ that don't realize they have been misled?

    My issue with Fauci? He was a willing participant in this fear porn:

    "Scientists on a committee that encouraged the use of fear to control people's behaviour during the Covid pandemic have admitted its work was 'unethical' and 'totalitarian'," The Telegraph reported last month about the tactics adopted by the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviour (SPI-B). "SPI-B warned in March last year that ministers needed to increase 'the perceived level of personal threat' from Covid-19 because 'a substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened'."
    Here's the good news:

    Perhaps the only saving grace is that, with contradictory and manipulative dictates to the public, officialdom shed its credibility in wholesale lots. Public figures tailored policies and messages with seemingly less regard for the evidence than for herding the population into desired behavior. It's unlikely they'll command sufficient good will to pull such stunts again anytime soon.
    Many of us have learned our lesson. We should have learned with WMDs in the 2000s but here we are again.

    C19 was not a hoax. The story we were fed was a hoax

    https://reason.com/2021/06/04/perfor...bC8llLgolB9Yqc

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    Re: Covid-19 Epilogue

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    Is your son vaccinated?
    Oh yeah, he's been vaccinated since mid march.

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    Re: Covid-19 Epilogue

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    They sure did with C19. Here's the evidence:



    That led to a very misinformed populace:



    Are there still people here on RZ that don't realize they have been misled?

    My issue with Fauci? He was a willing participant in this fear porn:



    Here's the good news:



    Many of us have learned our lesson. We should have learned with WMDs in the 2000s but here we are again.

    C19 was not a hoax. The story we were fed was a hoax

    https://reason.com/2021/06/04/perfor...bC8llLgolB9Yqc
    When I heard the stat about most liberals believing that 50% of covid cases required hospitalization, that was eye opening to me. I agree to that extent about Fauci too, he was doing the whole “it’s not okay for the vaccinated to eat at indoors restaurants plus they’re not going to be open anyway” bit in like early May, where he also admitted to changing his herd immunity estimates based on manipulating people’s behavior, and what I would still assert was lying about masks at the beginning of the pandemic.


    The media in the the US really went through the wringer of publishing constant fear porn, that was also clear. They had a conflict of interest in getting clicks and ratings and other metrics. There was also definitely some element of “Trump says covid isn’t bad, so we have to act like it’s the literal apocalypse” act going on with the more centrist-liberal media outlets like your NYTs or WaPo’s. There was definitely an ideological bent to much of that reporting.

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    Re: Covid-19 Epilogue

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    When I heard the stat about most liberals believing that 50% of covid cases required hospitalization, that was eye opening to me. I agree to that extent about Fauci too, he was doing the whole “it’s not okay for the vaccinated to eat at indoors restaurants plus they’re not going to be open anyway” bit in like early May, where he also admitted to changing his herd immunity estimates based on manipulating people’s behavior, and what I would still assert was lying about masks at the beginning of the pandemic.


    The media in the the US really went through the wringer of publishing constant fear porn, that was also clear. They had a conflict of interest in getting clicks and ratings and other metrics. There was also definitely some element of “Trump says covid isn’t bad, so we have to act like it’s the literal apocalypse” act going on with the more centrist-liberal media outlets like your NYTs or WaPo’s. There was definitely an ideological bent to much of that reporting.
    I’m not saying the media was perfect and they very likely kept a negative tone too long, but the guy was going on TV wondering out loud if drinking bleach and injecting light into the body might be a good idea before becoming actively combative to public health measures that were needed and would have helped. What are you supposed to do with that?


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