The 2021 Reds are an embarrassment

[wlf WV]

Good conversations about Bowden, best intercourse I’ve seen here in a while.

[Wonderful Monds]

Good conversations about Bowden, best intercourse I’ve seen here in a while.

[Bob Sheed]

If you enjoy listening to an expert talk about pitching, you can't go wrong with the legendary 2002 Dick Pole intercourse.

[oregonred]

First 162-game winning season since 2013. Yeah

Baby steps...

[RedTeamGo!]

Yeah, I was expecting like 70 wins this season. The fact they teased us in August definitely makes the finish disappointing, but certainly not an embarrassing season. There was like a 1 month stretch where the reds were the best team in the NL.

[UKWhoDey]

Good conversations about Bowden, best intercourse I’ve seen here in a while.

Only intercourse I've seen has been between Castellini and the fanbase.

[westofyou]

Yeah, I was expecting like 70 wins this season. The fact they teased us in August definitely makes the finish disappointing, but certainly not an embarrassing season. There was like a 1 month stretch where the reds were the best team in the NL.

This team is like the mid 80s teams, imperfect but not the 1982 Reds

[goreds2]

Reds can finish in a tie IF Cardinals lose their last 6 and Reds win their last 5. Cardinals are due to lose. We are due to win.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Reds can finish in a tie IF Cardinals lose their last 6 and Reds win their last 5. Cardinals are due to lose. We are due to win.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[REDREAD]

He had the ability to spot a good pitcher?

Neagle, Harnish, Schrourek, David Wells, Guzman, Burba. His early 90s teams were quite good.
Once Allen and Lindner took over, the budget was gutted. No GM could compete with that budget.
So instead, Bowden focused on power hitters and good relievers and then just roll the dice on starters.. I'm not saying it was right or wrong, but that's what he chose to do.
He could have chosen to focus on starting pitching and neglect the lineup instead, but the result would have been similar.

[westofyou]

The Mets spent 103 days in first place, marking the most days in MLB history a team has been in first and finished with a losing record.

Now that's embarrassing

[Big Klu]

Neagle, Harnish, Schrourek, David Wells, Guzman, Burba. His early 90s teams were quite good.
Once Allen and Lindner took over, the budget was gutted. No GM could compete with that budget.
So instead, Bowden focused on power hitters and good relievers and then just roll the dice on starters.. I'm not saying it was right or wrong, but that's what he chose to do.
He could have chosen to focus on starting pitching and neglect the lineup instead, but the result would have been similar.

Actually, his mid-90's teams.

1990-92 were under the Bob Quinn regime, and 1993 wasn't so hot. But starting in 1994 they generally were much better, until John Allen became involved.

[westofyou]

Actually, his mid-90's teams.

1990-92 were under the Bob Quinn regime, and 1993 wasn't so hot. But starting in 1994 they generally were much better, until John Allen became involved.

Problem was Marge didn't want to have LT contracts and that's what you needed to do to get quality pitching and the Reds ML was not producing. Remember how she derided Mark Portugal's contract?

[dfs]

Actually, his mid-90's teams.

1990-92 were under the Bob Quinn regime, and 1993 wasn't so hot. But starting in 1994 they generally were much better, until John Allen became involved.

Perhaps it was incorrect of me, but I always assumed that Bowden listened to his manager (within reason) and pursued players/types of players the manager wanted.

When Davey Johnson was the manager....Bowden looked fricken brilliant.
When Ray Knight took over.....Bowden looked like a clown.
When Jack McKeon became the manager and sorted through what Knight had done.....Bowden went out and picked up Sean Casey, Greg Vaughn and Pete Harnisch....
When Bob Boone took over....Bowden looked like a clown.

Perhaps I'm mistaken in my assumption that there was a close working relationship between the gm and the manager at the time. It certainly doesn't appear to work that way NOW and that's not just the reds, that's everywhere.

[Yeager49]

If the Cards had just been good (10-6) over the last 16, and not miraculous (16-0), we'd be tied. We didn't lose the 2nd Wild Card. The Cardinals won it, IMHO.
And I dislike the Cards worse than any other team, for what it is worth. But hats off to them for their late season run.