Sell?

[Moose Herd]

That quote wasn’t from this year.


And anyway, the only one of those guys who has the pedigree to get a special catcher in my book is Greene. I’m not benching Stephenson so Santillan can have Tucker Barnhart as his personal catcher. Stephenson is a more than adequate catcher, they will be fine.

Also, Stphenson has way more experience catching all of those guys, in the minors and at the Alternate Site last year.

[Kc61]

And Barnhart might have actual trade value this season. He’s actually hitting really well. Has a team option.


I’m not letting some possibly imaginary catcher wizardry stop me from getting value for him. I agree, just bring Casali back in if you’re really insistent on having a veteran catch Greene or whatever. Stephenson needs to be playing everyday at this point anyway.

I guess Barnhart has two imaginary Gold Gloves.

Sometimes defense is important. This is one such occasion.

It’s a modest one-year investment in the future of the pitching staff. Go for it.

[Wonderful Monds]

Also, Stphenson has way more experience catching all of those guys, in the minors and at the Alternate Site last year.

That’s also a good point, these guys already have continuity together as it is.

It’s not like he’s Mike Piazza back there. Get something useful for Barnhart while you still can.

[Wonderful Monds]

I guess Barnhart has two imaginary Gold Gloves.

Sometimes defense is important. This is one such occasion.

It’s a modest one-year investment in the future of the pitching staff. Go for it.

I have a negative opinion of the gold glove award if anything. That means nothing to me, and it’s definitely not something I’m gonna use as justification for sitting our actual catcher of the future 2-3 times through the rotation for.

[Kc61]

I have a negative opinion of the gold glove award if anything. That means nothing to me, and it’s definitely not something I’m gonna use as justification for sitting our actual catcher of the future 2-3 times through the rotation for.

Fangraphs Def ratings seem to agree with Gold Glove. Tucker has the highest rating on the Reds team. He also does pretty well in DRS.

Reds will probably just take the cheaper option. But it’s a mistake. They should do everything to nurture the young pitching. It would be well worth the money.

[RedTeamGo!]

Fangraphs Def rating seems to agree with Gold Glove. Tucker has the highest rating on the Reds. He also does pretty well in DRS.

Reds will probably just take the cheaper option. But it’s a mistake. They should do everything to nurture the young pitching. It would be well worth the money.

You’re saying two different things, though.

You’re talking about Barnhart’s defensive ability and “nurturing young pitchers” - those are two separate things. We even have pitchers on staff who have stated they prefer pitching to others over Barnhart. Gray preferred Casali as well.

[RedTeamGo!]

Also, the pitching staff stinks on ice this year, so he’s really not doing much it seems…

[Kc61]

You’re saying two different things, though.

You’re talking about Barnhart’s defensive ability and “nurturing young pitchers” - those are two separate things. We even have pitchers on staff who have stated they prefer pitching to others over Barnhart. Gray preferred Casali as well.

Which catchers are preferred by Gray or other pitchers isn’t relevant to this issue.

Barnhart is a highly experienced, excellent defender. He knows the game backwards and forwards. He is highly skilled back there. That can only help these young guys, who are the team’s future.

[Falls City Beer]

When was the last time a team backed up the truck and dumped all (or even more than one) of their expensive contracts?

[Wonderful Monds]

Which catchers are preferred by Gray or other pitchers is not relevant to this issue.

Oh it’s not huh, lol

[Wonderful Monds]

You’re saying two different things, though.

You’re talking about Barnhart’s defensive ability and “nurturing young pitchers” - those are two separate things. We even have pitchers on staff who have stated they prefer pitching to others over Barnhart. Gray preferred Casali as well.

I think the defensive metrics also just measure things like throwing out runners, preventing passed balls, I think maybe pitch framing. I’m nearly certain they don’t measure things like game calling, which is really the only thing that would significantly matter to a rookie pitcher.

[Kc61]

I think the defensive metrics also just measure things like throwing out runners, preventing passed balls, I think maybe pitch framing. I’m nearly certain they don’t measure things like game calling, which is really the only thing that would significantly matter to a rookie pitcher.

I value deep experience, knowledge, and defensive excellence in choosing the Reds’ catcher next year.

I see it as a key year in which the pitching staff will turn around.

Everyone wants to pick this apart but I find the concept to be pretty evident.

So we’ll have to agree to disagree. Reds likely won’t spend the money anyway.

[Kinsm]

Also, Stphenson has way more experience catching all of those guys, in the minors and at the Alternate Site last year.

Stephenson has minimal experience with Lodolo, Gutierrez and Greene as they never played on a minor league team together - 2 months of alternate site is it.

Santillan is the only one he has a lot of play with.

I think experience catching them has no play in the decision.

[Kinsm]

You’re saying two different things, though.

You’re talking about Barnhart’s defensive ability and “nurturing young pitchers” - those are two separate things. We even have pitchers on staff who have stated they prefer pitching to others over Barnhart. Gray preferred Casali as well.

Casali and Gray played together in college, been friends since 2009 - not surprising.

[redsfanmia]

I hope that Moose get healthy and hot and he is traded. His signing may end up being Miltonesque when it’s all said and done.