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    Met a WWII Veteran Today

    I had the pleasure of meeting a WWII veteran this afternoon . He was drafted, joined the navy, and his ship, the USS Chase, was damaged by a kamikaze attack near Okinawa. The men jumped into the Pacific. He held onto an oil barrel as he barely knew how to swim.

    Another ship picked up the men and gave them dry clothes. The next morning, when their ship did not sink, they got back on it and it was towed in for repairs.

    I found a copy of his draft registration card on Fold3 and printed a copy. He and his daughter seemed to appreciate that. That made me feel good to do something small but nice for him.

    It was an enjoyable conversation, and my honor to talk with him
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    Re: Met a WWII Veteran Today

    Quote Originally Posted by UKFlounder View Post
    I had the pleasure of meeting a WWII veteran this afternoon . He was drafted, joined the navy, and his ship, the USS Chase, was damaged by a kamikaze attack near Okinawa. The men jumped into the Pacific. He held onto an oil barrel as he barely knew how to swim.

    Another ship picked up the men and gave them dry clothes. The next morning, when their ship did not sink, they got back on it and it was towed in for repairs.

    I found a copy of his draft registration card on Fold3 and printed a copy. He and his daughter seemed to appreciate that. That made me feel good to do something small but nice for him.

    It was an enjoyable conversation, and my honor to talk with him
    Those guys were a different breed than my generation. I love listening to those stories from the men that lived them, but it does remind me that my life has been really boring in comparison.
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    My f-i-l died a few years back. He missed D-day with the mumps but landed on d+3 and fought his way west to the submarine pens and then east into Germany. Lots of stories. He came home with PTSD only they didn't call it that and it was 30 years before his life really settled down.

    Towards the end, he wasn't always the clearest of bells and now and then he needed some medical assistance. Went to see him in the hospital and a male nurse approached me as I left the room and asked me where and when he served. It seemed the nurse had startled him in his sleep last night and they went hand to hand for about 20 seconds. The nurse had trained as a paratrooper and was able to counter most of it, but if he had had a different nurse it could have been bad.

    He died in his 90's two and a half years ago. There aren't that many of them left.
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    I lost my dad at 97 in January. Recruiters came to his High School and the deal basically was "sign up today and you'll get your diploma right now". So he did (and a bunch of others). In Dec of 44 his unit got sent to the front lines as replacements for war weary units. They had never seen action.

    Their location turned out to be the point where the Germans attacked to start the Battle of the Bulge. Germany's last gasp to retake Europe. They were overwhelmed and eventually surrendered. He was sent to prison camp in the infamous Slaughterhouse Five. Those prisoners cleaned up bodies in the aftermath of the Dresden bombings. The history channel has a documentary on it, and he is interviewed in the documentary.
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    I hadn't thought about this for years, but this talk of WWII vets reminded me of something. Years ago when I was in Hungary, unbeknownst to me, at least in the beginning, there was a Soviet base near the city I was staying in.

    One night I was sitting in one of the local pubs with my gf and some other friends. I couldn't talk with anyone because of the language barrier, but it was still fun. One night though, two Soviet soldiers walked in the door and went up to the bartender. They spoke, and then the bartender pointed at me. Obviously they heard there was an American there, which was unheard of during those times. They walked over and said something, and I just replied, "Sorry, I don't speak Russian", and pointed to my gf, who knew Russian because it was mandatory in school.

    She explained why I was there and then he told her to tell me something for him, and she replied back, "I don't speak English, so I can't talk to him either." The soldier was exasperated, and looked at me trying to find the words, and finally said, "Krieg! War! Scheisser!" Then he pointed to me and then back to himself and said, "Kameraden!" I just stuck out my hand and said, "That sounds good to me", and he motioned to the bartender to bring schnapps shots. I had a little tattered world atlas with me and I showed him where I was from and he did the same, and we had a great time that night.

    But a week later, almost the same thing happened, except this soldier was a little older and he was at least an officer or a higher NCO. It was the same drill where he spoke with the bartender, and then he approached and stuck out his hand. I was about to gesture to my gf, when he started speaking some broken German, so I could finally at least talk to someone. He said he fought in WWII in Stalingrad and marched to Berlin, and was now a career soldier (this was 1974, so I'm guessing he was in his mid-late 40's). Then he opened his overcoat and pulled out a bottle of vodka, saying, "For you". This scene repeated itself regularly with other soldiers, and I think they were just curious to see what an American looked like, and I made some very interesting acquaintances. The next time I saw this particular guy he gave me a military badge from his uniform that indicated where he had fought, so the next time I went back to the west I tore a couple of patches from one of my old Army coats and returned the favor, but I had to explain to him that all I did was fix trucks, and didn't fight anywhere. He laughed and said, "No matter, Kamarad! Nostrovia!", and raised his glass.

    Man, there aren't many of these guys left on either side anymore. What a time that was.

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    To meet someone that lasted from Stalingrad to Berlin is amazing. That was a war within a war between those two countries. Especially after Kursk when it was all Russia after they took back the Ukraine. Ran the Germans and Romanian Fascist out then Hungary. The Germans and Hungarians had some good counterattacks but most of the good reserves were given to the Bulge offensive. The Hungarian Arrow Cross party were pretty terrible too when it came to the Holocaust.

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    It wasn't that unusual to meet veterans over there, because virtually everyone between 16 and 50 were either part of the allies, the axis, or partisans. But it's true that it was unusual to meet a Stalingrad vet, because the USSR was so closed and you rarely met a Russian, and nearly all of the Germans were either killed or captured, so there weren't many of them either. Even the Hungarian armies were annihilated there. My grandfather was conscripted towards the end by the Germans for the defense of Budapest, but he ended up being captured by the USSR and sent to Siberia to work in forced labor camps to die with hundreds of thousands of others.

    I did meet a lot of former German POWs that spent time in US camps, and they all had the same story- they would work in the fields during the day, were paid for their work, and were treated well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BernieCarbo View Post
    It wasn't that unusual to meet veterans over there, because virtually everyone between 16 and 50 were either part of the allies, the axis, or partisans. But it's true that it was unusual to meet a Stalingrad vet, because the USSR was so closed and you rarely met a Russian, and nearly all of the Germans were either killed or captured, so there weren't many of them either. Even the Hungarian armies were annihilated there. My grandfather was conscripted towards the end by the Germans for the defense of Budapest, but he ended up being captured by the USSR and sent to Siberia to work in forced labor camps to die with hundreds of thousands of others.

    I did meet a lot of former German POWs that spent time in US camps, and they all had the same story- they would work in the fields during the day, were paid for their work, and were treated well.

    They started sending the survivors back in the mid 50s. They even started releasing some pretty high end Nazis. Not soldiers of Wehrmacht but SS men who were known to be part of implementation and processing the final solution. They just figured better to have them rebuild Germany then the Russians. But some of the SS hardcore. Like Joachim Piper got away with murder and continued to get pensions and protection. Piper ended up getting assassinated in 1976 in France I think. There were a lot of scores to settle that didn’t. You either hid in Argentina. Brazil. Paraguay thanks to the rat lines or you went to Egypt or Jordan and helped train the military in covert warfare like they were training them in Germany during the last 6 months of the war.

    My family history unfortunately has more negative then positive. My father had on his mother’s side, she had 2 brothers who are part of Italian Fascist. One who was in Libya. The other part of the Anti Communist Corps in Russia. All we know is that they never lived to talk about it and it was something you never brought up. Especially when we moved to the US. As I loved history and wanted to do a report on the history of fascism in Italy in high school I was told under no circumstances do you talk about that. I wanted to talk about the positive side which was my grandmother and on his dad side who could not stand the bombastic bullS of that movement. Even if the trains ran on time. Suppressing the African population with modern war machines and using outlawed chemical warfare was nothing to be proud of.

    My mother is from Spain and grew up during Franco time. No Falange members that she ever told me about. Just the embarrassment of knowing how her home country sent about 60,000 to the Eastern Front in the Leningrad area under German uniforms under Spanish flags on their uniforms. Franco was willing to do that he just wouldn’t go against the British or let Hitler have access to get at Gibraltar through Spain. He said he’d rather get a root canal then deal with Franco. Her parents told her that they were worried they would get invaded but by the middle of 43 Franco pulled the Blue Division out of Russia. A lot stayed as volunteers but Franco was told it would be in his best interest to stop supporting Hitler.

    This may be part of long ago history but Spain and Italy really like to act sometimes as if they were not as much with Germany then they were. Sure they weren’t proponents of the Holocaust like the puppet state of Croatia was during that time or Hungary. But they don’t get off from any responsibility like they want to. They still have issues especially in Italy with Mussolini lovers. Especially in soccer. Very right wing / left wing depending on the club.

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    My dad was in Europe. He went over in July of 44. He said it was still rough when he got over there. He drove a half track and was part of a recon unit. He was actually a replacement and was assigned to an Iowa national guard unit that took some heavy casualties just after D-Day. Like most from that era he never talked much about his time there. Sometimes he would open up a little and I think things were rougher than he would let on about. He had talked about being pinned down by mortar fire at night in a cemetery somewhere in Europe. Can you imagine that? He was part of the occupation forces that was there until 1946. He talked about processing refugees as part of his duties. He said it was just pitiful how many of them were when they came through. I'm sure he saw some of the Halocaust victims. He said they would give them soap and they would start trying to eat it.

    He also had a brother that was part of a tank crew in Europe. His tank was hit badly and the tank commander was killed. My uncle was taken prisoner by the Germans and spend the last month of the war as a POW. He was injured pretty badly as he lost a thumb and had scars on big portion of his body.

    When I was growing up WWII veterans were all around me. I'm sure there many good stories there but were never talked about. Now they are all about gone. An end of an era is upon us and we are much the poorer because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    They started sending the survivors back in the mid 50s.
    Funny you mention that. Sorry for the long post, but I’ll relate something that happened to our family.

    After I got out of the Army, I stayed in Europe because there was no work in the US at the time. I spent about four months traveling around playing music, and then one day I called my mother to ask her where my grandfather was from. She told me, and then asked why. I told her I’d like to travel to Hungary and see if there is anyone left that may have known our family, or at least take some pictures of some gravestones or something.

    She said, “Don’t you go there! I know you, you’re going to say something and they’ll lock you up and we’ll never get you out!”

    I said, “Ok, mom”, and then went to the Hungarian consulate to apply for a visa, and then to the train station to look at train schedules. Three weeks later I got off the train at 9:30 AM, and at 10:00 AM I was being questioned in the police chief’s office.

    I had gone to the station originally because back then if you were a visitor you had to go to the police every day and get your visa stamped and show them where you spent your money. I walked in and went up to the woman at the front desk and said, “English? German? French?” She just looked at me and said, “Russland?” “Nope, no Russian, sorry”, and I handed her my passport and visa. She motioned me to wait and then disappeared. In a few minutes a police officer came and said, “You speak German? What are you doing here?”

    I explained that my grandfather came from this town, and I just wanted to see if I might still have some distant relatives or maybe see the house where he grew up. He told me to wait.

    A few minutes later he led me to the police chief’s office, and I had my bag and guitar in tow. The chief was as broad as he was tall and he was holding my papers, and then he put them in his desk drawer. I tell you, they could have been in a vault a hundred feet underground, because that’s about how accessible my passport was right then.

    The German speaking officer served as the translator and the chief asked why I came there. I repeated the same thing and just said my grandfather came from there, yada, yada. He asked if I was American then why did I have a French name, and what I did in the military, and all kinds of things.

    Then a couple of other officers came in, and they started searching through my stuff. They went through my bag, and then opened my guitar case. They stuck a light and mirror inside the guitar and looked all around, and then it came to me that they were looking for drugs! Now, I’ve never used drugs, so I wasn’t worried about that anyway. Then the chief said something and the translator said, “He wants to know if you are a spy.”

    I must have looked baffled, and I wanted to say, “Oh, I thought you were looking for drugs”, but I didn’t bring that up. I said, “No, I really am here to see if I have any family left. That’s the truth.”

    They talked back and forth, and the officer said, “He wants you to play the guitar.”

    I picked it up, and as luck would have it I was on a big Neil Young kick and it was set to drop D turning because I had been practicing “Ohio”. Playing a song in Hungary for the police about government troops shooting civilians was definitely not a good idea, so I started tuning it. The translator said, “He wants to know if you are nervous.”

    I must have looked nervous, but I said, “No, I play the guitar to prove I’m not a spy all the time,” but the chief was not amused.

    I was ready, and said, “I don’t know any Hungarian songs, but maybe you like country. This one’s called “Mama Tried” by Merle Haggard, and people love it back home.”

    I kicked it off, and after the first verse I realized it was a song about going to prison, and I hoped to God he didn’t really speak fluent English and was thinking I was making fun of him.

    He held up his hand for me to stop and they talked again. The officer turned to me and said, “He asks again if you are a spy.”

    Now I was getting concerned, and I said, “No, but I guess I must be a terrible guitar player.”

    They talked some more, and the officer said, “Write down everything about you, your name, your mother and father’s names, birth dates, addresses, everything.”

    “Ok, but you have all of that information in my passport and visa.”

    They spoke again, and the officer said, “He says then it should be easy for you to remember.” So I sat down and wrote it all down and they told me to wait in the lobby. They started to secure my things, but I asked if I could at least hold onto my guitar, because it’s the only thing I cared about and they had my money and passport and pictures anyway and I couldn’t go anywhere. The chief nodded. Also, I found out much later (and this is how I met the Russian soldiers I talked about above) that there was a small Soviet base nearby, and they felt it was way too much of a coincidence that I’d come strolling into town out of nowhere like that.

    I sat out in the lobby and the officer had been assigned to keep an eye on me. I tried to make small talk and told him to ask the woman behind the counter if she’d like to hear a song. He said nobody wanted to hear a song, but I was getting restless and looked out the window, and saw a bench.

    “Hey, at least let me sit on that bench. I won’t be bothering anybody, and you can come out too and guard me, and the weather’s nice. I’ll bet that woman will be glad to get rid of me too. Otherwise I’m just going to keep on talking.”

    He agreed, and I sat on the bench and played my guitar and occasionally someone would walk by and I’d say hello. Then these three schoolgirls came by carrying their books, and you know whenever there are three girls, one will be the leader, and they stopped and the leader said something to me. I said, “I have no idea what you just said, but if you have a request, I’ll do my best.”

    They looked at me like I was an alien from outer space. They had never heard anyone speak English before, not even on the radio or on a record. I pointed to the police officer and asked him to explain why I’m there. He took this totally official stance and said something to them, and they just looked back at me kind of puzzled.

    I looked at him and said, “What did you tell them?”

    “I said you were lost and we are trying to help you.”

    “Lost? You can’t tell them that! That makes me look like an idiot. Tell them I’m a famous musician from America.”

    “I will not tell them that.”

    “Then tell them the truth, that I’m just here to look for family. That isn’t bad, is it? I’d help you out if you needed it.”

    I could tell he wanted me gone in the worst way, but he explained it to the girls and then they looked at me and nodded and smiled, and I played them a couple of songs. Then, two police cars rolled up, with the chief in one of them.

    The officer said, “Get in”, and the leader of the girls quickly wrote her name down and stuck it in my shirt pocket. I got in the car and we took off.

    We got to a little house in the outskirts of town and the chief had me get out and wait. Two of the cops went to the door and a couple came out, and the woman started to freak out. I guess that’s universal, because no one anywhere wants the cops to come knocking. One cop held her back and the other led the man up to the chief where he showed him my papers and the few photographs I brought.

    The man walked up to me and said, “You speak German?”

    “Yes, did you know my grandfather?”

    “Where did you get these pictures?”

    “I brought them from home. See, that’s me, my mom, my dad, siblings, my grandmother. Here’s a picture of our house, and my dog.”

    “If you’re lying to me, I’ll kill you.”

    “Hey, I’m not lying! You don’t have to kill anyone. Who are you anyway?”

    “If you aren’t lying, then I’m your grandfather, but my family is dead, so you’re lying.”

    “Well, we’re in the same boat, because everyone thinks you’re dead too.”

    We started comparing notes, and it turns out that he was taken to Budapest in 1945 by the Germans for the defense against the Russians, but was captured and taken to a labor camp in Siberia, and didn’t come back until 1953. He tried and tried to find his family but there was no trace, so eventually he married a younger girl and started a new family, and he had two sons younger than me. At the time he was captured, my grandmother and her three children had made it back to her hometown in southern Hungary, but she was told that he was killed during the encirclement and because they were ethnic Germans (that’s why he knew German, although he was not ethnic), they were forced out after the war. They were sent to a refugee camp in Germany in the American sector, but two of my mom’s siblings died of tuberculosis there. I guess the conditions were terrible there. By 1950 my mother and grandmother were living in Frankfurt, and my father got stationed there. They met, they ended up getting married, and they both emigrated to the US with my dad in ‘52.

    Finally he was convinced and I was convinced, and it was so surreal, looking back. It was a terrible burden to unload on an old man (he was 69 years old at the time and this was 1974), and it was definitely bittersweet. He thought everyone was dead all these years, but finding out that two kids died the way they did and how he missed almost 30 years of knowing that mom was OK and then finding out his wife had been alive for over twenty years was definitely hard.

    We had a lot of catching up to do, but one funny thing was as we were walking back towards his house after I settled up with the chief, I took that note out that the girl gave me and told him if he knew where she lived, it would be nice if he told her how this turned out because she seemed concerned. He looked at it and said, “You are here for a few hours and a girl gives you her name and address. You are definitely my grandson.” We had so many good times after that.

    He and I became very close and I did the best I could to keep visiting him until he finally passed on. The whole thing with the Cold War complicated things tremendously, but my mom and dad and older brother managed to go visit him twice. But the thing that struck me the most was that no matter where I went in Europe, nearly every family I met had been torn apart in one way or another during the war. There was no escaping it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BernieCarbo View Post
    Funny you mention that. Sorry for the long post, but I’ll relate something that happened to our family.

    After I got out of the Army, I stayed in Europe because there was no work in the US at the time. I spent about four months traveling around playing music, and then one day I called my mother to ask her where my grandfather was from. She told me, and then asked why. I told her I’d like to travel to Hungary and see if there is anyone left that may have known our family, or at least take some pictures of some gravestones or something.

    She said, “Don’t you go there! I know you, you’re going to say something and they’ll lock you up and we’ll never get you out!”

    I said, “Ok, mom”, and then went to the Hungarian consulate to apply for a visa, and then to the train station to look at train schedules. Three weeks later I got off the train at 9:30 AM, and at 10:00 AM I was being questioned in the police chief’s office.

    I had gone to the station originally because back then if you were a visitor you had to go to the police every day and get your visa stamped and show them where you spent your money. I walked in and went up to the woman at the front desk and said, “English? German? French?” She just looked at me and said, “Russland?” “Nope, no Russian, sorry”, and I handed her my passport and visa. She motioned me to wait and then disappeared. In a few minutes a police officer came and said, “You speak German? What are you doing here?”

    I explained that my grandfather came from this town, and I just wanted to see if I might still have some distant relatives or maybe see the house where he grew up. He told me to wait.

    A few minutes later he led me to the police chief’s office, and I had my bag and guitar in tow. The chief was as broad as he was tall and he was holding my papers, and then he put them in his desk drawer. I tell you, they could have been in a vault a hundred feet underground, because that’s about how accessible my passport was right then.

    The German speaking officer served as the translator and the chief asked why I came there. I repeated the same thing and just said my grandfather came from there, yada, yada. He asked if I was American then why did I have a French name, and what I did in the military, and all kinds of things.

    Then a couple of other officers came in, and they started searching through my stuff. They went through my bag, and then opened my guitar case. They stuck a light and mirror inside the guitar and looked all around, and then it came to me that they were looking for drugs! Now, I’ve never used drugs, so I wasn’t worried about that anyway. Then the chief said something and the translator said, “He wants to know if you are a spy.”

    I must have looked baffled, and I wanted to say, “Oh, I thought you were looking for drugs”, but I didn’t bring that up. I said, “No, I really am here to see if I have any family left. That’s the truth.”

    They talked back and forth, and the officer said, “He wants you to play the guitar.”

    I picked it up, and as luck would have it I was on a big Neil Young kick and it was set to drop D turning because I had been practicing “Ohio”. Playing a song in Hungary for the police about government troops shooting civilians was definitely not a good idea, so I started tuning it. The translator said, “He wants to know if you are nervous.”

    I must have looked nervous, but I said, “No, I play the guitar to prove I’m not a spy all the time,” but the chief was not amused.

    I was ready, and said, “I don’t know any Hungarian songs, but maybe you like country. This one’s called “Mama Tried” by Merle Haggard, and people love it back home.”

    I kicked it off, and after the first verse I realized it was a song about going to prison, and I hoped to God he didn’t really speak fluent English and was thinking I was making fun of him.

    He held up his hand for me to stop and they talked again. The officer turned to me and said, “He asks again if you are a spy.”

    Now I was getting concerned, and I said, “No, but I guess I must be a terrible guitar player.”

    They talked some more, and the officer said, “Write down everything about you, your name, your mother and father’s names, birth dates, addresses, everything.”

    “Ok, but you have all of that information in my passport and visa.”

    They spoke again, and the officer said, “He says then it should be easy for you to remember.” So I sat down and wrote it all down and they told me to wait in the lobby. They started to secure my things, but I asked if I could at least hold onto my guitar, because it’s the only thing I cared about and they had my money and passport and pictures anyway and I couldn’t go anywhere. The chief nodded. Also, I found out much later (and this is how I met the Russian soldiers I talked about above) that there was a small Soviet base nearby, and they felt it was way too much of a coincidence that I’d come strolling into town out of nowhere like that.

    I sat out in the lobby and the officer had been assigned to keep an eye on me. I tried to make small talk and told him to ask the woman behind the counter if she’d like to hear a song. He said nobody wanted to hear a song, but I was getting restless and looked out the window, and saw a bench.

    “Hey, at least let me sit on that bench. I won’t be bothering anybody, and you can come out too and guard me, and the weather’s nice. I’ll bet that woman will be glad to get rid of me too. Otherwise I’m just going to keep on talking.”

    He agreed, and I sat on the bench and played my guitar and occasionally someone would walk by and I’d say hello. Then these three schoolgirls came by carrying their books, and you know whenever there are three girls, one will be the leader, and they stopped and the leader said something to me. I said, “I have no idea what you just said, but if you have a request, I’ll do my best.”

    They looked at me like I was an alien from outer space. They had never heard anyone speak English before, not even on the radio or on a record. I pointed to the police officer and asked him to explain why I’m there. He took this totally official stance and said something to them, and they just looked back at me kind of puzzled.

    I looked at him and said, “What did you tell them?”

    “I said you were lost and we are trying to help you.”

    “Lost? You can’t tell them that! That makes me look like an idiot. Tell them I’m a famous musician from America.”

    “I will not tell them that.”

    “Then tell them the truth, that I’m just here to look for family. That isn’t bad, is it? I’d help you out if you needed it.”

    I could tell he wanted me gone in the worst way, but he explained it to the girls and then they looked at me and nodded and smiled, and I played them a couple of songs. Then, two police cars rolled up, with the chief in one of them.

    The officer said, “Get in”, and the leader of the girls quickly wrote her name down and stuck it in my shirt pocket. I got in the car and we took off.

    We got to a little house in the outskirts of town and the chief had me get out and wait. Two of the cops went to the door and a couple came out, and the woman started to freak out. I guess that’s universal, because no one anywhere wants the cops to come knocking. One cop held her back and the other led the man up to the chief where he showed him my papers and the few photographs I brought.

    The man walked up to me and said, “You speak German?”

    “Yes, did you know my grandfather?”

    “Where did you get these pictures?”

    “I brought them from home. See, that’s me, my mom, my dad, siblings, my grandmother. Here’s a picture of our house, and my dog.”

    “If you’re lying to me, I’ll kill you.”

    “Hey, I’m not lying! You don’t have to kill anyone. Who are you anyway?”

    “If you aren’t lying, then I’m your grandfather, but my family is dead, so you’re lying.”

    “Well, we’re in the same boat, because everyone thinks you’re dead too.”

    We started comparing notes, and it turns out that he was taken to Budapest in 1945 by the Germans for the defense against the Russians, but was captured and taken to a labor camp in Siberia, and didn’t come back until 1953. He tried and tried to find his family but there was no trace, so eventually he married a younger girl and started a new family, and he had two sons younger than me. At the time he was captured, my grandmother and her three children had made it back to her hometown in southern Hungary, but she was told that he was killed during the encirclement and because they were ethnic Germans (that’s why he knew German, although he was not ethnic), they were forced out after the war. They were sent to a refugee camp in Germany in the American sector, but two of my mom’s siblings died of tuberculosis there. I guess the conditions were terrible there. By 1950 my mother and grandmother were living in Frankfurt, and my father got stationed there. They met, they ended up getting married, and they both emigrated to the US with my dad in ‘52.

    Finally he was convinced and I was convinced, and it was so surreal, looking back. It was a terrible burden to unload on an old man (he was 69 years old at the time and this was 1974), and it was definitely bittersweet. He thought everyone was dead all these years, but finding out that two kids died the way they did and how he missed almost 30 years of knowing that mom was OK and then finding out his wife had been alive for over twenty years was definitely hard.

    We had a lot of catching up to do, but one funny thing was as we were walking back towards his house after I settled up with the chief, I took that note out that the girl gave me and told him if he knew where she lived, it would be nice if he told her how this turned out because she seemed concerned. He looked at it and said, “You are here for a few hours and a girl gives you her name and address. You are definitely my grandson.” We had so many good times after that.

    He and I became very close and I did the best I could to keep visiting him until he finally passed on. The whole thing with the Cold War complicated things tremendously, but my mom and dad and older brother managed to go visit him twice. But the thing that struck me the most was that no matter where I went in Europe, nearly every family I met had been torn apart in one way or another during the war. There was no escaping it.


    Extraordinary!!!

    Thanks for sharing that!!
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    I had three great uncles who were in WWII and feel fortunate to have known them.

    Uncle Tom Ruwan was marine who piloted beach landing craft at Tarawa and Iwo Jima. His boat was hit in some operation after Iwo Jima and he was unconscious for a month. My aunt thought he was dead until the Marines reported they'd located him in a hospital in Australia. He didn't speak much about the war.

    Uncle Jack Hobday was a navigator, who was on one of the B-17s that flew unarmed into Hickam Field during the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor. You can read his oral history here (which I made him tell me about 50 times when I was a kid). https://www.nps.gov/perl/learn/histo...bertHobday.pdf
    Here is the coolest thing about Jack though. I found this interview with the guy who was the pilot of the plane and when asked about the navigator (remember these guys were shooting sites with no radio navigation, all celestial), the guy said “I had one night flight with that gentleman,” Thacker said. “He hit Diamond Head right on the nose after 2,500 miles of celestial navigation.”

    Uncle Ray Backs who was in the army European Theater, but never mentioned it to any of us. I'm not sure what unit, where or anything.
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    My dad was in the Marine Corp. in WWII and fought in the Pacific. He was in the 4th Marine Div. and was in on the landings on Roi-Namur, Saipan, and Tinian in the Marianas. He caught Dengue fever there and got send to Hawaii and missed the Iwo Jima landings. His unit got pretty chewed up there. He was the demolitions guy in his unit. I think that’s why I liked to blow stuff up as a kid.

    He died in 1994. And he never talked about the war except for when he got drunk. From what I understand from my mom, it took a few years for him to get back to a state of equilibrium.
    She used to wake me up with coffee ever morning

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    My dad's dad was a pilot in WWII. He had 1.5 kills in combat. As the Japanese advanced east, they overran the island he was stationed at. He was literally in the last plane off the island. Got to spend the remainder of the war in Australia training other pilots.
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