UKFlounder (07-26-2021)
Wow.
Wow. Wonder if they “pre-agreed” to that after the 11th or 12th pick and that greased the skids for the slide?
Go BLUE!!!
Gallen5862 (07-26-2021)
So everyone signs except the #20 pick, Rivera. Can they still sign him without penalty, or is all the money gone?
EDIT: Never mind. Its the 11th pick yet to sign: Shawn Guilliams
Last edited by MikeS21; 07-27-2021 at 06:47 AM.
I think I throw the ball as hard as anyone. The ball just doesn't get there as fast. Eddie Bane
We know we're better than this ... but we can't prove it. Tony Gwynn
RiverRat13 (07-28-2021)
Say what you want about him, but Scott Boras gets his clients paid.
Does the above slot amount create any penalties for the Reds?
They went a total of $432,600 over slot. The penalty is 75%, so they'll pay a tax of $324,450.
UKFlounder (07-27-2021)
Danny Serafini (07-27-2021)
@KenDavidoff
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Good afternoon. The #Mets' agreement with their top draft pick Kumar Rocker is in limbo after the team expressed concerns about Rocker's pitching elbow. Here is our story: https://bit.ly/3zMPx0l
Well, that's what those words mean. He was here. If they don't keep him, he will have been lost/subtracted. I headed out the door today with two shoes on my feet. If I don't return with them, I have lost them. If I do return with them, I haven't added them. ---M2
I never quite understand this. A healthy percentage of contemporary pitchers will have elbow surgery at one point or another.
Of course, it's not ideal. Nobody wants to buy damaged goods, but neither would anyone bat an eye if if Rocker, Mackenzie Gore or Nick Lodolo announced elbow surgery tomorrow. To some degree, it's to be expected.
Seems more like a questionable negotiating ploy to me.
Last edited by Kc61; 07-27-2021 at 05:05 PM.
No, I don't think it'd earn the player an extra dime. Because that past health doesn't predict future health.
Again, elbow surgeries are so pervasive and full recovery so common that they're almost to be expected at this point.
There's a deeper point about pitching, unnatural motions and dealing with injuries that's likely impossible to appropriately address, but even rubber-armed Tim Lincecum was average by 28. Wear and tear happens to pitchers, at likely incalculably different rates for different guys. And unless there is rock solid data on Rocker's situation predicting worse future production, I think it's crappy leverage for organizations, because surgery isn't what the career death knell it once was.
And I don't think "just because organizations have used this leverage in the past" is particularly convincing.
I'm sensing we're not going to agree on this, so save some damning stats on performance post-Tommy John, I'll just leave it here.
BillDoran (07-27-2021),camisadelgolf (07-30-2021),Mitri (07-27-2021)
I hear where you are coming from, but it makes at least two material differences. One, it changes the timetable. Rather than near-majors, Rocker now is a three-year investment with no return (and with reduced trade value during that window). Two, there is strong evidence that he may need to change his throwing motion. That brings uncertainty.
BillDoran (07-27-2021)
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