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[mth123]

Any defense of the Reds approach to this bullpen is pure homerism. The bullpen has been an absolute dumpster fire, not just since April, but you could see it coming as far back as December. Many on here saw it and raised teh issue while the Reds played the scrap heap game. They did find a couple of guys who haven't been complete disasters who could fill the 12th and13th man roles on a good team, but we've suffered through a bunch of Deleons, Fulmers, Bedrosians and Perezes to get there. It was predictable and it is undoubtedly the reason this team will be watching the post-season in October.

If this bullpen was good enough to e merely below average, this team would probably be in a play-off position right now. In spite of Suarez failures, the hole at SS, the crashing and burning of Nick Senzel and the injury to Moose, it has been the bullpen that has done this team in. There is still a chance, but that chance fades with every loss and it was a very foreseeable failure.

[mth123]

From June 6 to now, the Reds pen ranks 14th in the majors in fWAR.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...24&sort=20%2Cd

If only the season would have started on June 6.

[Joeyjection19]

From June 6 to now, the Reds pen ranks 14th in the majors in fWAR.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...24&sort=20%2Cd

Worst bullpen ERA in June.

4th worst in the two weeks since the ASB.

A week at the end of June and a week at the beginning of July does not an improved bullpen make.

[757690]

Any defense of the Reds approach to this bullpen is pure homerism. The bullpen has been an absolute dumpster fire, not just since April, but you could see it coming as far back as December. Many on here saw it and raised teh issue while the Reds played the scrap heap game. They did find a couple of guys who haven't been complete disasters who could fill the 12th and13th man roles on a good team, but we've suffered through a bunch of Deleons, Fulmers, Bedrosians and Perezes to get there. It was predictable and it is undoubtedly the reason this team will be watching the post-season in October.

If this bullpen was good enough to e merely below average, this team would probably be in a play-off position right now. In spite of Suarez failures, the hole at SS, the crashing and burning of Nick Senzel and the injury to Moose, it has been the bullpen that has done this team in. There is still a chance, but that chance fades with every loss and it was a very foreseeable failure.

The Reds added Hembree and Brach and that has worked out quite well. The team is 3 games over .500 and as I showed, since the beginning of June, the pen has been around league average, and that is with Antone and Sims injured.

I get the outrage, watching the pen blow leads is frustrating, and there have been a few recently so the anger is fresh. But look at the season as a whole, and you will see that the pen has improved greatly since the beginning.

[757690]

Worst bullpen ERA in June.

4th worst in the two weeks since the ASB.

A week at the end of June and a week at the beginning of July does not an improved bullpen make.

You are the one cherry picking. I showed definitively that the Reds pen, since June 6th (a random date I picked) has been league average. It’s not a week here, or a week there, it’s over an extended period of time until now.

And ERA is not the best stat to judge a pen by.

[Joeyjection19]

But look at the season as a whole, and you will see that the pen has improved greatly since the beginning.

Third worst bullpen ERA in the second half.

[reds44]

why must you argue something that literally everyone knows is true? the bullpen is bad.

the end

[Joeyjection19]

You are the one cherry picking. I showed definitively that the Reds pen, since June 6th (a random date I picked)

[Fil3232]

Performance art

[757690]

why must you argue something that literally everyone knows is true? the bullpen is bad.

the end

I started by saying I am angry at how bad the pen is. We all are. And that anger is strong right now because the pen has had a bad few games recently.

However the facts are the facts, the data is the data. And that data and those facts reveal that the pen was improved by the team when they added Hembree and Brach, and since June 6th until now, the pen has been league average.

Now league average is still pretty bad because league wide, there is a shortage of good relievers. Most teams have been experiencing the same pain the Reds have been experiencing with their pens. Just look at the Cardinals’ pen recently, yesterday being a perfect example.

The argument was made that this team has done nothing to help the pen. That is false. They have made numerous additions to the pen from outside the organization and from inside. Some have helped, many have not, overall, the pen has improved since it’s disasterous beginning, and this with the two best relievers injured.

[Kc61]

I started by saying I am angry at how bad the pen is. We all are. And that anger is strong right now because the pen has had a bad few games recently.

However the facts are the facts, the data is the data. And that data and those facts reveal that the pen was improved by the team when they added Hembree and Brach, and since June 6th until now, the pen has been league average.

Now league average is still pretty bad because league wide, there is a shortage of good relievers. Most teams have been experiencing the same pain the Reds have been experiencing with their pens. Just look at the Cardinals’ pen recently, yesterday being a perfect example.

The argument was made that this team has done nothing to help the pen. That is false. They have made numerous additions to the pen from outside the organization and from inside. Some have helped, many have not, overall, the pen has improved since it’s disasterous beginning, and this with the two best relievers injured.

I agree that the bullpen tryout camp has had some success. And I do give the FO credit for its unending search for very cheap bullpen talent.

But it’s tough for me to excuse the miscalculation of the off-season. To put the burden of the budget cuts on the pen was an unwise decision since bullpens today cover over 40% of all innings pitched.

And the Reds didn’t have a pipeline of kids ready to help fill the void.

Injuries have hurt and it’s good they found Brach, Hembree, Warren among the various candidates. So kudos, but very limited IMO.

[Coopdaddy67]

All of you damn well better stop questioning Bob's desire to win. Vindication!

Cincinnati Reds @Reds 5m
The #Reds today traded OF Mark Payton to the Mets in exchange for cash.

Also today, the Reds sent on a rehab assignment to Triple-A Louisville RHP Michael Feliz.

[NebraskaRed]

Getting literally anything for Payton is a win.

[Bob Sheed]

If you take away the strikeouts, Suarez has actually been league average at the plate.

[NebraskaRed]

Mark Feinsand
@Feinsand

The Mets sent $75,000 to the Reds for Mark Payton, per source.