Eugenio Suarez - WT bloody....?

[Kinsm]

In the years that you - my fellow RZone posters - have watched major league baseball how many players do you recall taking such a drastic nosedive from their peak?

24 months ago Suarez was on the cusp of hitting his 50th homerun with a very respectable .271 BAVG.

Skip to present day and the same Suarez has hit 1/2 that many homeruns and his BAVG is on the cusp of dropping into the .160's.

I've seen a lot of baseball in my day, I'm not sure I can name anyone else who was a healthy non-Roider, whose career collapsed so quickly. To make matters worse it's come during the middle of his peak years (25-32).

Back in March of 2018 when he signed a 7 year - 66M$ contract, who among us thought that deal would look so ugly so quickly? He's still owed 35M$ for the 2022, 2023, and 2024 seasons. It's not as if he took the money and quit trying - his best two seasons were after the extension.

You could make a very valid argument that he doesn't just deserve to be benched, he deserves to be outright released.

If you have any belief in advanced metrics, he's gone from a positive 4 WAR player to a negative 2 WAR player in less than 2 years and he's just had his 30th birthday.

I don't think it's that big of a stretch to say that a lot of players down in AAA could hit .170 over a year in the bigs, at least a large group of them could better the .553 OPS he's currently sporting against southpaws.

Is the gutpunch of his collapse any worse considering their other 3Bman - the soon to be 33 year old Moose - is still owed 38M$ over the next two seasons? A player, who in his own right, looks like he should be benched.

[westofyou]

It's Ben Grievesque

[Kc61]

Reds have given Suarez 504 PAs this year, second most on the club.

Will be interesting to see how Reds handle him over the winter.

Moustakas is a different story having been injured most of this season.

[OldFashionedRed]

Can you just outright release a player who is performing this badly? I mean, what other job than in athletics, can you perform so badly and expect to keep your job?

EDIT: I mean outright release a player and not honor the rest of their contract.

[Tom Servo]

I think remember WT Bloody having a few pinch hit appearances with the Reds but that's about it.

[westofyou]

Can you just outright release a player who is performing this badly? I mean, what other job than in athletics, can you perform so badly and expect to keep your job?

EDIT: I mean outright release a player and not honor the rest of their contract.

That's NFL

MLB has a good union

[Larry Schuler]

It's Ben Grievesque

For some reason, my brain blends Ben Grieve and Keith Van Horn into one disappointing former-top-prospect.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

What I can't get out of my head is that the organization will still owe Geno Suarez and Mike Moustakas, neither of whom belong in a major league lineup, $73,000,000 after this season. Bravo, Sir Robert!

[RedsfaninMT]

What I can't get out of my head is that the organization will still owe Geno Suarez and Mike Moustakas, neither of whom belong in a major league lineup, $73,000,000 after this season. Bravo, Sir Robert!

Yes, definitely would have preferred that spent on Louis Robert!

[15fan]

Mark Wohlers.

He ultimately bounced back for a bit, but yowza what a meltdown.

[M2]

What I can't get out of my head is that the organization will still owe Geno Suarez and Mike Moustakas, neither of whom belong in a major league lineup, $73,000,000 after this season. Bravo, Sir Robert!

Moustakas has a .244/.315/.465 line against RHPs. He's fine as the main part of a platoon. He's just got to stay healthy.

[savafan]

Chris Davis?


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[Ironman92]

Cody Bellinger in process of telling Suarez to hold his beer

[M2]

Chris Davis?

It seems to be a modern condition. Cody Bellinger is suffering an even bigger collapse. Jay Bruce in 2014 and 2015 wasn't pretty either.

[herbdizzle]

To me it's gotta be one of two reasons: (1) His shoulder injury has never fully healed and he has been trying to find an acceptable hitting swing compensating for his reduced physical condition, or (2) he has a vision problem causing him to be unable to recognize spinning and break on the baseball.

It's heartbreaking to see his utter collapse because he's extremely likable and by all accounts a great teammate. I wonder what the Reds offense would look like if he was even 75-80% of his 2017-19 years. It would've solved a huge part of our problems facing LH SP throughout the season.

If I'm the Reds I'd trade Suarez in the off-season for whatever salary relief you can get from him. He's owed a little over $30 million over the next 3 years; I'd have to think you could get a team to pick up 1/3-1/2 of that as a low cost rebound opportunity. As I think Moose is still somewhat productive in spots Id keep him of the two as eating chunks of both contracts might be too big to chew in one off-season.