I think shooting for the absolute best bullpen is where we should start. Not settle, even in the bottom spots, if humanly possible. It’s a cost effective way to really really improve the team. If we have to settle for Hoffman as the last man out of the pen, so be it. Just don’t lock in 4-5 guys from last year and then wonder why they’re not an improved team in June 2022.
REDREAD (10-19-2021)
REDREAD (10-19-2021)
It's not really cost effective. Relative sure things in the pen cost money. I'm sure we'd all do a jig if the Reds get Andrew Chafin, but he's about to get very rich. You can unearth gems and get big value from reclamation projects. That's the cost effective way to try it, but it often goes wrong and leads to Little Apples jokes decades later.
And which 4-5 guys are you talking about? I get that argument for Amir Garrett and Michael Lorenzen, but it would be kind of looney not to keep Cessa.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
I'm good with bringing Sims back as long as he is healthy. Hoffman is an easy non-tender the more I think about it. Reds will have Santillan, Moreta, Warren, O'Brien, Sanmartin, and maybe even Vlad as very cheap pre-arb options, as well as Sims, Cessa and Wilson all likely returning. Hoffman is just so mediocre and I'm not really agreeing with the "his stuff played up in the bullpen" chatter that I'm sensing here. He's bad, Reds have other cheap options, use that money elsewhere.
*BaseClogger* (10-19-2021),M2 (10-18-2021)
Brewers would stick with Sims, he has good stuff
Plus he K'd 14.6 per nine and had the lowest WHIP for a Red with 40 IP
You know when you lead off a post with a declaration intended to point out how bad the Reds are and you say that they should cut two players they cut during the season I tend to think you are not really paying attention, but instead just shooting arrows at the Reds no matter what.
Last edited by westofyou; 10-18-2021 at 11:46 AM.
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Last edited by Falls City Beer; 10-18-2021 at 07:50 PM.
This is spectacular counterfactual gobbledygook. The Reds have full control of Sims and Cessa. They currently reside on the team's 40-man roster, which means they are 100% on the team unless the Reds determine otherwise. Doolittle and Brach were released before the finish of the season and went to other organizations. The Reds sent them away while they were still paying them. The chances of either one coming back are effectively nil. That you're trying to draw some sort of equivalence is bizarre.
And the notion the Reds could screw up filling out their pen is deep into no duh territory.
Last edited by M2; 10-18-2021 at 08:34 PM.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
Chip R (10-19-2021)
They aren't getting 8 new guys. They need a closer and a late inning lefty. Some of these guys are OK in lesser roles. The problem with the pen was the peter principle created by taking away the late inning guys and bumping lesser arms up the food chain. Sims, Cessa, Santillan, Warren are a decent middle of the pen. Hoffman, Wilson and some kids are fine longer guys. I'm a Sims skeptic, but I'm not in favor of burning it to the ground. Garrett, Doolittle Bedrosian, and a lot of the scrap heap guys like Deleon, Fulmer etc were the bulk of the problem. They put too much on Antone and Garrett. One got hurt and the other got exposed and there was no foundation to build on.
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
Revering4Blue (10-20-2021)
The key to a good 2022 bullpen is to move guys like Sims and Wilson further down the pecking order. If Sims is getting flagged as a potential closer, you know this bullpen is in trouble.
Go and get two late-inning upgrades to add along to the set-up corps (Cessa/Santillan/Wilson/Sims, Warren) and I'd be fine leaving a roster spot open for one of the AAAA guys with options.
They need to add at least one premium lefty and righty each. Doesn't have to be super-premium, just a Givens-level addition would do.
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