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  • Bobby Abreu

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  • Barry Bonds

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  • Mark Buehrle

    4 7.41%
  • Roger Clemens

    39 72.22%
  • Carl Crawford

    0 0%
  • Prince Fielder

    1 1.85%
  • Todd Helton

    27 50.00%
  • Ryan Howard

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  • Tim Hudson

    2 3.70%
  • Torii Hunter

    1 1.85%
  • Andruw Jones

    17 31.48%
  • Jeff Kent

    12 22.22%
  • Tim Lincecum

    3 5.56%
  • Justin Morneau

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  • Joe Nathan

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  • David Ortiz

    32 59.26%
  • Jonathan Papelbon

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  • Jake Peavy

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  • Andy Pettitte

    14 25.93%
  • A.J. Pierzynski

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  • Manny Ramirez

    29 53.70%
  • Alex Rodriguez

    32 59.26%
  • Scott Rolen

    33 61.11%
  • Jimmy Rollins

    1 1.85%
  • Curt Schilling

    30 55.56%
  • Gary Sheffield

    24 44.44%
  • Sammy Sosa

    18 33.33%
  • Mark Teixeira

    2 3.70%
  • Omar Vizquel

    8 14.81%
  • Billy Wagner

    19 35.19%
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    RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

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    On Tuesday, January 25th, the BBWAA will announce the results of its 2022 Hall of Fame balloting. Any electees will be inducted on Sunday, July 24th, at 1:30 p.m. at the Clark Sports Center in Cooperstown.

    ^The Class of 2022 Era Committee electees, which features Bud Fowler, Buck O'Neil, Jim Kaat, Tony Oliva, Gil Hodges, and Minnie Miñoso, will also be inducted that day.

    Any candidate who receives votes on 75 percent of all ballots cast will earn election to the Hall of Fame. Those who receive fewer than 5 percent of all ballots cast (or whom have been on the ballot for 10 years) will fall off next years' ballot.

    Seventeen former players are returning to the 2022 BBWAA ballot after receiving at least five percent of the overall vote in 2021:

    Curt Schilling
    Barry Bonds
    Roger Clemens
    Scott Rolen
    Omar Vizquel
    Billy Wagner
    Todd Helton
    Gary Sheffield
    Andruw Jones
    Jeff Kent
    Manny Ramirez
    Sammy Sosa
    Andy Pettitte
    Mark Buehrle
    Torii Hunter
    Bobby Abreu
    Tim Hudson

    Thirteen additional players will be making their BBWAA Hall of Fame ballot debut in 2022:

    Carl Crawford
    Prince Fielder
    Ryan Howard
    Tim Lincecum
    Justin Morneau
    Joe Nathan
    David Ortiz
    Jonathan Papelbon
    Jake Peavy
    A.J. Pierzynski
    Alex Rodriguez
    Jimmy Rollins
    Mark Teixeira

    (The following thirteen players also qualified for the final ballot this year for the first time; but they weren't selected by the screening committee for the full BBWAA vote: Michael Bourn, Billy Butler, Marlon Byrd, Coco Crisp, Jeff Francoeur, Omar Infante, Colby Lewis, Kyle Lohse, Javier Lopez, Angel Pagan, Matt Thornton, Juan Uribe, and Ryan Vogelsong.)

    ***VOTE FOR A MAXIMUM TEN PLAYERS***

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    The Hall of Fame will announce the results on Tuesday, January 25th, with live coverage on MLB Network beginning at 3 p.m. ET
    Last edited by Kinsm; 12-06-2021 at 02:24 PM.

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    Re: RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

    Name YoB Yrs WAR G AB R H HR RBI SB BB BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
    Bobby Abreu 3rd 18 60.2 2425 8480 1453 2470 288 1363 400 1476 .291 .395 .475 .870 128
    Barry Bonds 10th 22 162.7 2986 9847 2227 2935 762 1996 514 2558 .298 .444 .607 1.051 182
    Carl Crawford 1st 15 39.1 1716 6655 998 1931 136 766 480 377 .290 .330 .435 .765 105
    Prince Fielder 1st 12 23.8 1611 5821 862 1645 319 1028 18 847 .283 .382 .506 .887 134
    Todd Helton 4th 17 61.8 2247 7962 1401 2519 369 1406 37 1335 .316 .414 .539 .953 133
    Ryan Howard 1st 13 14.7 1572 5707 848 1475 382 1194 12 709 .258 .343 .515 .859 125
    Torii Hunter 2nd 19 50.7 2372 8857 1296 2452 353 1391 195 661 .277 .331 .461 .793 110
    Andruw Jones 5th 17 62.7 2196 7599 1204 1933 434 1289 152 891 .254 .337 .486 .823 111
    Jeff Kent 9th 17 55.5 2298 8498 1320 2461 377 1518 94 801 .290 .356 .500 .855 123
    Justin Morneau 1st 14 27.0 1545 5699 772 1603 247 985 5 573 .281 .348 .481 .828 120
    David Ortiz 1st 20 55.3 2408 8640 1419 2472 541 1768 17 1319 .286 .380 .552 .931 141
    A.J. Pierzynski 1st 19 23.8 2059 7290 807 2043 188 909 15 308 .280 .319 .420 .739 94
    Manny Ramirez 6th 19 69.3 2302 8244 1544 2574 555 1831 38 1329 .312 .411 .585 .996 154
    Alex Rodriguez 1st 22 117.5 2784 10566 2021 3115 696 2086 329 1338 .295 .380 .550 .930 140
    Scott Rolen 5th 17 70.1 2038 7398 1211 2077 316 1287 118 899 .281 .364 .490 .855 122
    Jimmy Rollins 1st 17 47.6 2275 9294 1421 2455 231 936 470 813 .264 .324 .418 .743 95
    Gary Sheffield 8th 22 60.5 2576 9217 1636 2689 509 1676 253 1475 .292 .393 .514 .907 140
    Sammy Sosa 10th 18 58.6 2354 8813 1475 2408 609 1667 234 929 .273 .344 .534 .878 128
    Mark Teixeira 1st 14 50.6 1862 6936 1099 1862 409 1298 26 918 .268 .360 .509 .869 126
    Omar Vizquel 5th 24 45.6 2968 10586 1445 2877 80 951 404 1028 .272 .336 .352 .688 82


    Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
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    Name YoB Yrs WAR W L ERA ERA+ WHIP G GS SV IP H HR BB SO
    Mark Buehrle 2nd 16 59.1 214 160 3.81 117 1.281 518 493 0 3283.1 3472 361 734 1870
    Roger Clemens 10th 24 139.2 354 184 3.12 143 1.173 709 707 0 4916.2 4185 363 1580 4672
    Tim Hudson 2nd 17 57.9 222 133 3.49 120 1.239 482 479 0 3126.2 2957 248 917 2080
    Tim Lincecum 1st 10 19.5 110 89 3.74 104 1.293 278 270 1 1682.0 1506 147 669 1736
    Joe Nathan 1st 16 26.7 64 34 2.87 151 1.120 787 29 377 923.1 690 84 344 976
    Jonathan Papelbon 1st 12 23.3 41 36 2.44 177 1.043 689 3 368 725.2 572 57 185 808
    Jake Peavy 1st 15 39.2 152 126 3.63 110 1.196 388 377 0 2377.0 2134 259 708 2207
    Andy Pettitte 4th 18 60.2 256 153 3.85 117 1.351 531 521 0 3316.0 3448 288 1031 2448
    Curt Schilling 10th 20 79.5 216 146 3.46 127 1.137 569 436 22 3261.0 2998 347 711 3116
    Billy Wagner 7th 16 27.7 47 40 2.31 187 0.998 853 0 422 903.0 601 82 300 1196


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    Re: RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

    BRef Eligible:
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    Re: RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

    Link to past year's RedsZone voting for anyone who wants to go back in time...

    2021 (74 voters):
    https://www.redszone.com/forums/show...OF-Ballot-Vote

    2020 (94 voters):
    https://www.redszone.com/forums/show...OF-Ballot-Vote

    2019 (92 voters):
    https://www.redszone.com/forums/show...OF-Ballot-Vote
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    Re: RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

    So...I plan to play Nostradamus again this year - a day before the final vote I'll predict the final BBWAA vote.

    Between now and then, I'll simply go with a quick guess....that no player gets inducted again this year - and this summer we'll watch Kaat and Oliva get inducted (assuming they don't pass between now and then - they are both 83 years young). That means Schilling, Clemens, Bonds, and Sosa would be relegated to the era committees to get inducted as this is their 10th and final time on the writers ballot.

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    Re: RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

    I voted for Bonds and Clemons this year, their final year. (not that I have any real say in the vote) I do believe they would have made it if they hadn't juiced it up. But since they did I waited until the final year to vote for them just so they would twist in the wind as long as possible. I'm doing the same treatment to ARod.
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    Re: RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

    Future Ballot Reference:

    ***2023's Ballot (final playing season 2017) will include for the first time, players: Carlos Beltran, John Lackey, Jered Weaver, Jacoby Ellsbury, Matt Cain, Jhonny Peralta, Jayson Werth, J.J. Hardy, Mike Napoli, Aaron Hill, Bronson Arroyo, R.A. Dickey, Erick Aybar, Carlos Ruiz, Ubaldo Jimenez, Francisco Rodriguez, Andre Ethier, Huston Street, among others below 20 career bWAR.

    2023 will also have a supplementary ballot due to the "Today's Game" Era Committee.

    ***2024's Ballot (final playing season 2018) will include for the first time, players: Adrian Beltre, Joe Mauer, Chase Utley, David Wright, Bartolo Colon, Matt Holliday, Adrian Gonzalez, Jose Bautista, Jose Reyes, Victor Martinez, James Shields, Brandon Phillips, Denard Span, Chase Headley, Yovani Gallardo, among others below 20 career bWAR.

    2024 will also have a supplementary ballot due to the "Modern Baseball" Era Committee.

    ***2025's Ballot (final playing season 2019) will include for the first time, players: Ichiro Suzuki, CC Sabathia, Dustin Pedroia, Ian Kinsler, Felix Hernandez, Troy Tulowitzki, Ben Zobrist, Curtis Granderson, Hanley Ramirez, Russell Martin, Adam Jones, Brian McCann, Martin Prado, Carlos Gonzalez, Melky Cabrera, Francisco Liriano, Fernando Rodney, among others below 20 career bWAR.

    2025 will also have a supplementary ballot due to the "Today's Game" Era Committee.

    ***2026's Ballot (final playing season 2020) will include for the first time, players: Robinson Cano, Justin Verlander, Cole Hamels, Ryan Braun, Alex Gordon, Shin-Soo Choo, Edwin Encarnacion, Howie Kendrick, Nick Markakis, Hunter Pence, Gio Gonzalez, Anibal Sanchez, Matt Kemp, Jason Kipnis, Rick Porcello, Daniel Murphy, among others below 20 career bWAR.

    2026 will also have a supplementary ballot due to the "Modern Baseball" Era Committee.



    ***Assuming none of the players listed above play in another major league game.

    ^The "Today's Game" Era Committee will include players no longer eligible for election by the BBWAA, along with managers, umpires, and executives, whose greatest contributions to the game were realized from the 1998 to present day (players must have retired at least 15 years prior to current year's election).

    ^The "Modern Baseball" Era Committee will include players no longer eligible for election by the BBWAA, along with managers, umpires, and executives, whose greatest contributions to the game were realized from the 1970 to 1987.

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    Re: RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinsm View Post
    So...I plan to play Nostradamus again this year - a day before the final vote I'll predict the final BBWAA vote.

    Between now and then, I'll simply go with a quick guess....that no player gets inducted again this year - and this summer we'll watch Kaat and Oliva get inducted (assuming they don't pass between now and then - they are both 83 years young). That means Schilling, Clemens, Bonds, and Sosa would be relegated to the era committees to get inducted as this is their 10th and final time on the writers ballot.
    You are probably correct. Schilling should have been inducted years ago. Rolen is deserving of induction. I'd also probably vote for Clemens, Bonds, Sosa and Sheffield, despite the PEDs allegations; each one was a great player and MLB allowed and prospered from PEDs use.
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    Re: RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

    Bonds
    Clemens
    Helton
    Jones
    Ortiz
    Rodriguez
    Rolen
    Schilling
    Sheffield
    Wagner

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinsm View Post
    So...I plan to play Nostradamus again this year - a day before the final vote I'll predict the final BBWAA vote.

    Between now and then, I'll simply go with a quick guess....that no player gets inducted again this year - and this summer we'll watch Kaat and Oliva get inducted (assuming they don't pass between now and then - they are both 83 years young). That means Schilling, Clemens, Bonds, and Sosa would be relegated to the era committees to get inducted as this is their 10th and final time on the writers ballot.
    Perhaps them leaving out Bonds, Clemens and Schilling would lead to the HOF changing how entry is granted. Too many offensively stupid people casting votes as illustrated on NotMrTibbs' twitter account every year.
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    Re: RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinsm View Post
    Future Ballot Reference:

    ***2023's Ballot (final playing season 2017) will include for the first time, players: Carlos Beltran, John Lackey, Jered Weaver, Jacoby Ellsbury, Matt Cain, Jhonny Peralta, Jayson Werth, J.J. Hardy, Mike Napoli, Aaron Hill, Bronson Arroyo, R.A. Dickey, Erick Aybar, Carlos Ruiz, Ubaldo Jimenez, Francisco Rodriguez, Andre Ethier, Huston Street, among others below 20 career bWAR.

    2023 will also have a supplementary ballot due to the "Today's Game" Era Committee.

    ***2024's Ballot (final playing season 2018) will include for the first time, players: Adrian Beltre, Joe Mauer, Chase Utley, David Wright, Bartolo Colon, Matt Holliday, Adrian Gonzalez, Jose Bautista, Jose Reyes, Victor Martinez, James Shields, Brandon Phillips, Denard Span, Chase Headley, Yovani Gallardo, among others below 20 career bWAR.

    2024 will also have a supplementary ballot due to the "Modern Baseball" Era Committee.

    ***2025's Ballot (final playing season 2019) will include for the first time, players: Ichiro Suzuki, CC Sabathia, Dustin Pedroia, Ian Kinsler, Felix Hernandez, Troy Tulowitzki, Ben Zobrist, Curtis Granderson, Hanley Ramirez, Russell Martin, Adam Jones, Brian McCann, Martin Prado, Carlos Gonzalez, Melky Cabrera, Francisco Liriano, Fernando Rodney, among others below 20 career bWAR.

    2025 will also have a supplementary ballot due to the "Today's Game" Era Committee.

    ***2026's Ballot (final playing season 2020) will include for the first time, players: Robinson Cano, Justin Verlander, Cole Hamels, Ryan Braun, Alex Gordon, Shin-Soo Choo, Edwin Encarnacion, Howie Kendrick, Nick Markakis, Hunter Pence, Gio Gonzalez, Anibal Sanchez, Matt Kemp, Jason Kipnis, Rick Porcello, Daniel Murphy, among others below 20 career bWAR.

    2026 will also have a supplementary ballot due to the "Modern Baseball" Era Committee.



    ***Assuming none of the players listed above play in another major league game.

    ^The "Today's Game" Era Committee will include players no longer eligible for election by the BBWAA, along with managers, umpires, and executives, whose greatest contributions to the game were realized from the 1998 to present day (players must have retired at least 15 years prior to current year's election).

    ^The "Modern Baseball" Era Committee will include players no longer eligible for election by the BBWAA, along with managers, umpires, and executives, whose greatest contributions to the game were realized from the 1970 to 1987.
    Makes me sad and old to already see Matt Cain on the 2023 list. I pimped him as a future HOFer many times a while back. Though he was gonna be a horse.

    Kinda in the Verlander mold…ironic since Verlander is incorrectly on that list. (He’s pitching this year)

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    Re: RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

    Jeff Kent and Scott Rolen.

    I'd vote for Ortiz in his second year (DH isn't worthy of a first year vote, imho)--and I do realize he had the one leaked positive ped test, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt -which I'm not giving the others (I can't really justify it, so I'm not going to debate it).

    The others with the good numbers are either pedded or are Curt Schilling. Not worthy of the HOF (at least until Joe Jackson gets in).

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    Re: RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Makes me sad and old to already see Matt Cain on the 2023 list. I pimped him as a future HOFer many times a while back. Though he was gonna be a horse.

    Kinda in the Verlander mold…ironic since Verlander is incorrectly on that list. (He’s pitching this year)
    Until Verlander officially plays in another MLB game he'll remain on the 2026 eligible list.

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    Re: RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinsm View Post
    Until Verlander officially plays in another MLB game he'll remain on the 2026 eligible list.
    Apologies if you wrote and did all that as it looked so good it seemed like a cut and paste job.

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    Re: RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

    No cutting and pasting here Kal, at least not without a source appendage.

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    Re: RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

    More is lost by keeping Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod, etc. from the HOF on the basis of their steroid use than is gained by keeping them out. History won't look on their careers as any lesser for having not been elected. Their statistics still count and their greatness as players still broadly recognized and appropriately caveated. However, by their absence they will maintain their place taking up an outsized part of the HOF conversation. Falling off the ballot will not remove them from the conversation nearly as much as electing them would.

    Don't let them speak at the inauguration ceremony. Put an asterisk on their plaque denoted them as having been caught cheating and/or implicated in the steroid era. Put them in a special Hall of Shame wing for all I care. But elect them for the sake of posterity, for properly telling the story of the era, and let us move on from it.

    For the record, I'm a big Hall guy and I voted:

    *** No Brainer
    ** Confident
    * Could be convinced otherwise

    Bonds ***
    Clemens ***
    Kent *
    Ortiz * (strong historical narrative value)
    Manny **
    Pettite **
    A-Rod ***
    Rolen **
    Schilling ***
    Sheffield *

    Under future consideration
    Wagner * (I personally think closers are overrated, but if the broader community will elect them, he needs to be in)
    Abreu *
    Jones *
    Sosa *
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 12-06-2021 at 10:50 PM.
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