RedsZone's 2022 BBWAA HOF Ballot Vote

[M2]

With 50 votes thus far by RedsZone members, and about three weeks remaining, it’s looking as though “we” won’t be electing anyone this winter. Which is likely how the BBWAA will also ultimately vote.

To be fair, we rarely give anyone enough votes.

[Ron Madden]

Every January since 2013, a collective groan could be heard throughout the Bay Area with each new Baseball Hall of Fame class announcement. That's because, for nine consecutive years, Barry Bonds has been denied enshrinement in Cooperstown.

Now entering his 10th and final season on the ballot, the former Giants slugger will need a big boost from voters in order to reach the 75 percent majority needed to make the Hall. In 2021, he was 53 votes shy of that mark.

According to Thibodaux's 2022 Baseball Hall of Fame Tracker, Bonds has received 90 total votes on both public and anonymous ballots, with just 28.3 percent of the total vote in. To reach the 75 percent threshold, a player needs 294 total votes, meaning if Bonds is on 72.6 percent of the outstanding ballots, he'll be a Hall of Famer.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/gi...-early-ballots

[goreds2]

Curt Schilling's Hall of Fame predicament likely set to take on a new twist

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/curt-sc...160504954.html

[M2]

Curt Schilling's Hall of Fame predicament likely set to take on a new twist

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/curt-sc...160504954.html

Good column. And Schilling's line that he doesn't think he belongs doesn't hold water given his fury over not being elected. He'd have been a slam dunk this year if he could have just stayed out of his own way and not pitched a fit about last year's near miss. Even after crashing out of being able to hold any job in and around the sport of baseball and defrauding the State of Rhode Island (he's lucky he's not in jail), he still could have made Cooperstown. But then he had to tell everyone not to vote for him.

Supposedly Schilling's as good at alienating ex-teammates as he is at alienating everyone else, so I'm thinking he doesn't have to worry too much about his peers putting him in. Probably going to be some blue ribbon panel long after he's passed that finally inducts him.

[Boston Red]

Schilling should obviously be in. I was way ahead of the curve in disliking him. I'd listen to him on WEEI back in the mid-2000s, and he was super arrogant. But he was (understandably) a hero around town in those days.

I guess since the bloody sock is in the Hall, Schiling can at least say that a small piece of him made it to Cooperstown.

[Kinsm]

This poll will lock in two weeks time; over 40 registered members have viewed the thread yet have refrained from voting thus far…now is the time to add your voice.

[goreds2]

Your take: Why Curt Schilling does/does not belong in Baseball Hall of Fame

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...me/9192909002/

[RedsBaron]

I've always found it interesting to compare players who have been inducted into the HOF with similar players who have been kept out. It's always struck me as unfair when the HOF inducts one player while refusing to induct that player's direct contemporary who had arguably as good or better of a career. For examples, consider pitcher Luis Tiant being excluded while Catfish Hunter and Jim Bunning are in the HOF, or third baseman Ken Boyer being excluded while Ron Santo is in the HOF.
RedsZone HOF voting shows Mark Teixeira with all of one vote. I doubt I'll vote for him and I sure do not expect him to be inducted, but I was surprised when I compared him to a player voted into the HOF a couple of weeks ago: Gil Hodges. I read a lot of stories online about how great it was that Hodges was finally voted in, correcting a supposed injustice.
Both first basemen, Teixeira and Hodges are in each other's list of 10 most similar players. Hodges has 43.9 career WAR; Teixeira has 50.6. Hodges WAR7 score is 33.7; Teixeira has 38.0; Hodges JAWs score is 38.8; Teixeira has 44.3. Advantage across the board in those "advanced" stats goes to Teixeira.
Of course, they come from different eras and different playing conditions, but Baseball Reference's Stats Neutralizer is helpful. Using it, Hodges has a career line of .262 BA/.347 OBP/.468 SLG, while Teixeira has .260 BA/.350 OBP/.493 SLG. The Stats Neutralizer shows Hodges with 365 HR, 1212 RBI, 1050 runs, 1895 hits, while Teixeira has 393 HR, 1210 RBI, 1023 runs and 1780 hits.
I'm not saying Teixeira deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but I will say that if Hodges belongs there, then so does Teixeira.

[M2]

I've always found it interesting to compare players who have been inducted into the HOF with similar players who have been kept out. It's always struck me as unfair when the HOF inducts one player while refusing to induct that player's direct contemporary who had arguably as good or better of a career. For examples, consider pitcher Luis Tiant being excluded while Catfish Hunter and Jim Bunning are in the HOF, or third baseman Ken Boyer being excluded while Ron Santo is in the HOF.
RedsZone HOF voting shows Mark Teixeira with all of one vote. I doubt I'll vote for him and I sure do not expect him to be inducted, but I was surprised when I compared him to a player voted into the HOF a couple of weeks ago: Gil Hodges. I read a lot of stories online about how great it was that Hodges was finally voted in, correcting a supposed injustice.
Both first basemen, Teixeira and Hodges are in each other's list of 10 most similar players. Hodges has 43.9 career WAR; Teixeira has 50.6. Hodges WAR7 score is 33.7; Teixeira has 38.0; Hodges JAWs score is 38.8; Teixeira has 44.3. Advantage across the board in those "advanced" stats goes to Teixeira.
Of course, they come from different eras and different playing conditions, but Baseball Reference's Stats Neutralizer is helpful. Using it, Hodges has a career line of .262 BA/.347 OBP/.468 SLG, while Teixeira has .260 BA/.350 OBP/.493 SLG. The Stats Neutralizer shows Hodges with 365 HR, 1212 RBI, 1050 runs, 1895 hits, while Teixeira has 393 HR, 1210 RBI, 1023 runs and 1780 hits.
I'm not saying Teixeira deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but I will say that if Hodges belongs there, then so does Teixeira.

I never thought Hodges had the resume for induction. Yet now that he's in there, the bar is moved way lower and there's a pile of 1Bs better than him that need to get inducted. For instance, the Crime Dog got robbed.

[WrongVerb]

I think an argument for Hodges is that he smoothed the path for Jackie Robinson to thrive in the majors.

[Ironman92]

Only Bonds for me

[RedsBaron]

I voted for Scott Rolen (70.1 WAR) and Curt Schilling (79.5 WAR) without hesitation. Rolen clearly was one of the top 10 or 12 third basemen in MLB history, and Schilling was one of the top 25 or so starting pitchers.
I then "held my nose" so to speak and voted for Barry Bonds (162.7 WAR), Roger Clemens (139.2 WAR), Alex Rodriguez (117.5 WAR), Manny Ramirez (69.3 WAR), Gary Sheffield ( 60.5 WAR) and David Ortiz ( 55.3 WAR). They have all been accused, and in some cases, clearly shown to have used PEDs. If the HOF kicks out Bud Selig and everyone else who could have done more to keep PEDs out of the game, then I will reconsider, but PEDs use was winked at and tolerated. Induct them and go on is about where I'm at now.
That gave me eight. I also voted for Bobby Abreu ( 60.2 WAR) and Mark Teixeira (50.6 WAR) just because I'd like to see them remain on future ballots. I'm not convinced they belong in the HOF, but Gil Hodges (43.9 WAR) and Tony Oliva (43.0 WAR) are now Hall of Famers.
There are several others I considered. Todd Helton (61.8 WAR) gets downgraded because of his home field advantage, which was extreme, with a career line of .345/.441/.607 at home and .287/.386/.469 away. However, while he played in a tougher era for hitters and was a far better all around player, Carl Yastremzski had a pretty big difference in his home and away splits, .306/.402/.503 vs. .264/.357/.422, so maybe Helton deserves another look.
I didn't vote for Andy Pettite, since I think the great teams he played on played a big part in his success, but I was struck by comparing his career WAR with several other Yankee pitchers who are in the HOF: Pettite 60.2 WAR, 81st all time; Whitey Ford 57.0 WAR, 86th all time; Waite Hoyt 52.3 WAR, 103rd all time; and Herb Pennock, 45.6 WAR, 135th all time.
I probably should have voted for Andruw Jones and maybe Jeff Kent.

[Kinsm]

This poll will lock in approximately 24 hours; make your selections now if you’re waiting till the last moment.

[Kinsm]

Our annual poll is officially locked, and as I had anticipated prior to making the poll RedsZone’s members would not be inducting anyone later tonight, with Bonds and Clemens being the only two coming even remotely close.

My prediction of tonight’s televised BBWAA ballots…

Ortiz 71%
Bonds 65
Clemens 65
Rolen 62 (in line for induction next year)
Schilling 56 (could see it significantly lower)
Helton 54
Wagner 54
Jones 43
Sheffield 43
Kent 33
Ramirez 30
ARod 26
Vizquel 19
Sosa 18
Pettitte 11
Buehrle 11
Abreu 7
Hunter 7
Rollins 7
Hudson 5
Nathan 5
Papelbon 5
Crawford, Fielder, Howard, Lincecum, Morneau, Peavy, Pierzynski all below 5%

I predict average votes per ballot rises to about 7, up from 6 last year. I also predict that number drops to about 5 next year after Bonds, Clemens, and Schilling fall off the ballot.

So, I predict no one this year.
Beltran, Ortiz, and Rolen in 12 months.
Beltre, Helton, and Wagner in 24 months.
Suzuki, Sabathia, and maybe Jones in 36 months.

[Kinsm]

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