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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

    Quote Originally Posted by BernieCarbo View Post
    No, I'm not. It's quite the opposite. The defense would destroy this case. If it were this easy, there would have been tens of thousands of cases by now. Even the state hasn't mandated masks or vaccines, nor is it a workplace rule. It's a nonstarter.
    My main point is that the burden of proof is much lower than you original posted. When it comes to civil case, none of know what a jury will or will not accept. We have all seen much flimsier cases won before.
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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

    Quote Originally Posted by BernieCarbo View Post
    Sure, but there’s a giant leap to actually proving a case and suing somebody.
    Oh yeah, sorry, I wasn't speaking to a lawsuit or anything, we're on the same page.
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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

    Quote Originally Posted by BernieCarbo View Post
    There is no way to know if he caught it from his son, or if he gave it to his son, or if he caught it anywhere else. The mom could have given it to both of them, or they could have caught it at Kroger.

    At the end of the day, we all have to assume we’re going to catch it at some point, so being vaccinated is the best protection. But unfortunately, even when people see other people drop dead around them, it isn’t enough to convince them.
    Actually, there is. Whether they ran the genome on it or still could run the genome on it, we don't know.

    Yet if there's an outbreak at the school and the kid definitely catches it and the dad then catches it afterward ... well, you don't need a Mystery Machine and a talking dog to solve that one.
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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

    The parents not only sent their son to the school fully aware of the lack of covid mitigation, but they paid money for the privilege to do so. Good luck making that a winner in court.

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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat13 View Post
    The parents not only sent their son to the school fully aware of the lack of covid mitigation, but they paid money for the privilege to do so. Good luck making that a winner in court.
    That's the biggest issue here, and probably why almost no one is bringing cases like this to court. The people being injured likely agree with the school on their protocols or lack there of.
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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

    It wasn't until years later that they discovered that temporary immunity from covid could be obtained by listening to Last Christmas by Wham.

    Some found the cure to be worse than the illness.

    After Day 3 of non-stop Last Christmas, playing on repeat, seemingly in every direction at times, many people refused to listen any longer. Anti-Whammers, they were called. Public PA Systems, setup to provide protection by playing the song on a loop, were found anonymously but thouroughly destroyed.

    Then people stopped playing the song entirely. "Wham Fatigue". It gets everyone eventually.

    So the covid numbers began to climb again. Some dedicated their lives to finding the next musical cure, even if temporary. Others forged ahead, not blindly, but rather, with earplugs. "Never again, Wham. Never, again."
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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat13 View Post
    The parents not only sent their son to the school fully aware of the lack of covid mitigation, but they paid money for the privilege to do so. Good luck making that a winner in court.
    We live in a country where people with horrible judgment routinely sue others for not protecting them from their bad judgment, and they frequently win those cases. The school in this case failed to provide a safe environment in the middle of pandemic. Doesn't mean the family is guaranteed to win, but the "hey, you knew this wasn't a safe back alley plastic surgery clinic" might not be the optimal argument to make when trying to evade culpability.
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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    The school could just be proven to be reckless, show a disregard for the consequences of their actions.

    If I don’t ice my sidewalk, and someone falls on it and breaks their hip, I am liable. If I have a legal duty to ice my sidewalk, then it’s rather easy to argue that a school has a legal duty to keep its students and their family safe from Covid. All they need to prove is that the school didn’t take reasonable actions to prevent the child from getting Covid.
    The school could be proved reckless. Or it could not. I'm not going to argue about lawsuits on the Internet, but I can tell you none of the elements of a tort action for negligence would be easy for the family (well, other than damages, because that's pretty obvious here).

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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Red View Post
    I'm not going to argue about lawsuits on the Internet
    If we aren't here to argue about lawsuits, then I'm not sure what good the Internet is for at all...

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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

    The discovery in the hypothetical lawsuits is what is likely stopping them, in the majority of cases, from being filed. The guy who's kid got it at the school that seems to deny Covid exists likely open up the entire family, including the deceased, to have to account for their last week prior to him catching Covid -- and from the sound of it, the defendants would be able to show enough places that he or others in the family went to make it difficult to get a verdict worth much.

    The best case would be someone who hasn't really left home, and doesn't have any kids, but got it from someone who said they were vaxxed but wasn't. That's a dream case for Lionel Hutz.

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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sheed View Post
    That's the YOLO category in case you were wondering. I don't know anyone who has the luxury of cowering in a corner sipping on a protein shake, or living their life in a bubble, or whatever analogy you want to give it. We're all out there dealing with it.

    I am, however, related to someone who liked their "1 in 100,000 chance because they got the shot" or whatever made up number they told themselves to deem it an acceptable risk... and he died from covid, fully vaccinated in a North Dakota hospital 2 weeks ago. Anecdotal? Fine. But you've kind of been the anti-SeaRay around here about this. Just daring covid to **** with you. "I did what I was supposed to do, and I do what I'm supposed to do, so bring. it. on."

    That's fine too. I'm probably more superstitious than you because I would never tempt fate like that. You do you though.
    I look at facts, and I don't make up numbers. Right now the covid death rate is sitting around 240/100000. The unvaccinated make up about 99% of those deaths. I'll take those chances.

    So yeah, since I've done everything I was supposed to do, and the numbers tell me I'm good to go, I'll follow the science and enjoy my life with not a shred of concern about it. I'm more likely to fall down the stairs and break my neck tonight, but that doesn't mean I'm going to sleep on the sofa.

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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

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    If we aren't here to argue about lawsuits, then I'm not sure what good the Internet is for at all...
    Porn. We covered this in the last thread!

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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

    Quote Originally Posted by BernieCarbo View Post
    I look at facts, and I don't make up numbers. Right now the covid death rate is sitting around 240/100000. The unvaccinated make up about 99% of those deaths. I'll take those chances.

    So yeah, since I've done everything I was supposed to do, and the numbers tell me I'm good to go, I'll follow the science and enjoy my life with not a shred of concern about it. I'm more likely to fall down the stairs and break my neck tonight, but that doesn't mean I'm going to sleep on the sofa.
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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

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    I'm still salty about Carbo's leadoff double in game 7 of the 75' series. Covid schmovid, that was a real tragedy averted...
    The series ended at game 6.

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    Re: Covid-19 Part XVI

    A tantalizing clue to why omicron is spreading so quickly

    Why is omicron such a superspreading variant?

    Preliminary data, published online Wednesday, gives us the first look at how omicron may behave inside the respiratory tract — and the data offers a tantalizing clue as to why this heavily mutated variant is spreading so fast and even outcompeting delta.

    The omicron variant multiplies about 70 times faster inside human respiratory tract tissue than the delta variant does, scientists at the University of Hong Kong report. The variant reaches also higher levels in the tissue, compared to delta, 48 hours after infection.
    But how this finding, from tissue studied in the lab, relates to viral loads inside an actual person's respiratory tract is still unknown, he emphasizes.

    These findings from the University of Hong Kong haven't been peer reviewed — and the experiments occurred entirely inside cell tissue. Nonetheless, the research supports another study, published online Tuesday, from Garcia-Beltran and his colleagues that also suggests omicron is more infectious than delta.
    Then the researchers looked to see how fast each variant spread through the respiratory tissue. Within 24 hours, omicron had infected the tissue at 70 times the level observed with the delta variant.

    Chan and his colleagues also ran the experiments with lung tissue. Interestingly, inside that tissue, omicron was less efficient at infecting cells than delta or the original version of the virus.

    "The infection is more focused on the bronchia than the lungs and very fast," wrote Marc Veldhoen on Twitter. He's an immunologist at the University of Lisbon.

    This focus on the respiratory tract, instead of the lungs, may suggest that omicron could cause less severe disease compared with delta or the original version of the virus. But many scientists, including Veldhoen, say it's too soon to draw that conclusion.
    So it looks like there's preliminary science to back up the anecdotal evidence about omicron's severity. Good news.
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