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    Re: Cincinnati as a "football town"

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Well, the Bengals success is kind of topical, no? And no those 2010-2011 teams weren’t that good. 2012 was good but clearly not too dangerous.. 2013 was pretty good too. But that’s all they have to show for the last 27 years. That’s not much at all.
    If you win 97 games, the 2nd highest win total in MLB (by 1 - Nats had 98), you’re a dangerous team.

    The Reds are horrible, we all know it, thanks for your monthly reminder.
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    Re: Cincinnati as a "football town"

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    If you win 97 games, the 2nd highest win total in MLB (by 1 - Nats had 98), you’re a dangerous team.

    The Reds are horrible, we all know it, thanks for your monthly reminder.
    They could change that. That’s worth repeating I think.

    Banners reveal the relative danger of a team. A choke job is a pretty solid indicator of an unmasking of that “danger.”

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    Re: Cincinnati as a "football town"

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Moving MLB teams is an issue, they have to really be dysfunctional or lacking in interest to merit the notion. Sorry, the Reds ain't there yet, they are staple of Cincinnati summer and the brand of 1869 looms big over their NL affiliation, the Commissioners office used to be in town as well as the NL office. This is not Oakland or Tampa Bay.

    The NFL is a different story, they move frequently, the league is the brand first and they don't care where a team is, so Krono is right in a way, the chance is greater with the Bengals and IF they have a nice run the tithing plate will be extended
    The NFL has true TV revenue sharing so you get Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Buffalo, etc teams in the playoffs rather than NYC, LA, SF, Chicago, etc. in the MLB playoffs. But the fat cat big city MLB teams are not going to let go of their lions share of TV revenue so MLB will be continue to be secondary to the NFL and NBA.
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    Re: Cincinnati as a "football town"

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post
    The NFL has true TV revenue sharing so you get Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Buffalo, etc teams in the playoffs rather than NYC, LA, SF, Chicago, etc. in the MLB playoffs. But the fat cat big city MLB teams are not going to let go of their lions share of TV revenue so MLB will be continue to be secondary to the NFL and NBA.
    OTOH Baseball is a day to day revenue tool during down time in the viewing public (IE Summer) The real money is in the the contracts teams get for local TV in a 162 game season, the cherry is the national contract for playoffs and the reason owners want to expand that is that they share that pot.

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    Re: Cincinnati as a "football town"

    no way the reds will ever move out of cincinnati. i was not even hinting at that when i started this thread. just feels more and more like a football town now. but baseball will always have its place and if the reds are good (meaning a team that actually wins a playoff series), we know the fans will show up. hell, even when the reds are mediocre the TV ratings are excellent for a small market team.

    but the nati sure has WHO DEY fever right now. and with burrow as the QB i don't see that changing for a long time. furthermore, as has been pointed out by many in this thread, football is the king sport in america. and that gap is getting wider. so, it's oddly not even a slam on the reds to say cincinnati is turning into more of a football team. basically any city that has an NFL team that is good will turn into a football town. it's just the bengals were the joke of the NFL from 1991-03 and that reputation will take (has taken?) a long time to get over. maybe it's finally time.
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    Re: Cincinnati as a "football town"

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    no way the reds will ever move out of cincinnati. i was not even hinting at that when i started this thread. just feels more and more like a football town now. but baseball will always have its place and if the reds are good (meaning a team that actually wins a playoff series), we know the fans will show up. hell, even when the reds are mediocre the TV ratings are excellent for a small market team.

    but the nati sure has WHO DEY fever right now. and with burrow as the QB i don't see that changing for a long time. furthermore, as has been pointed out by many in this thread, football is the king sport in america. and that gap is getting wider. so, it's oddly not even a slam on the reds to say cincinnati is turning into more of a football team. basically any city that has an NFL team that is good will turn into a football town. it's just the bengals were the joke of the NFL from 1991-03 and that reputation will take (has taken?) a long time to get over. maybe it's finally time.
    Yes, but I look at it this way, if the football team is good, then the baseball team will have to be good to compete for the fans attention.

    The last time the Bengals went to the SB was 89. We know who won the WS the next year. When the Reds won the WS in 76 the Bengals were big contenders. When one team is good, it forces the other team to get better.

    Either way, I'm so glad the Bengals have finally rolled away the reproach of the football world

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    Re: Cincinnati as a "football town"

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    Yes, but I look at it this way, if the football team is good, then the baseball team will have to be good to compete for the fans attention.

    The last time the Bengals went to the SB was 89. We know who won the WS the next year. When the Reds won the WS in 76 the Bengals were big contenders. When one team is good, it forces the other team to get better.

    Either way, I'm so glad the Bengals have finally rolled away the reproach of the football world
    i hear you, and hopefully that is what happens (the bengals being good will force the reds to try harder at being good). although, with the reds, i get the feeling that overall during the castellini years, they've *tried* to win (save for the obvious years when they tanked) but they don't know *how* to win. cannot properly construct a roster. went into last season without a true centerfielder, a true shortstop or a true closer. what baseball team does that? the reds overpay for certain guys. rarely fare well in trades. they do all the things you cannot do when you are a small market team. or a baseball team in general.
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    Re: Cincinnati as a "football town"

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    i hear you, and hopefully that is what happens (the bengals being good will force the reds to try harder at being good). although, with the reds, i get the feeling that overall during the castellini years, they've *tried* to win (save for the obvious years when they tanked) but they don't know *how* to win. cannot properly construct a roster. went into last season without a true centerfielder, a true shortstop or a true closer. what baseball team does that? the reds overpay for certain guys. rarely fare well in trades. they do all the things you cannot do when you are a small market team. or a baseball team in general.
    Remember when the Reds spent all that money in the off season in 2019? I think that's b/c FC soccer was getting a new stadium and moving up to the top division. Hopefully the Bengals do spur them on.

    I've come to enjoy being a Reds fan more when winning is important, but isn't everything. When they're struggling, I like watching older games.

    I wonder if Senzel will return and be healthy. I was upset for the longest when they released Jose Iglesias, but Farmer gets it done for me. Excited to see India and Stephenson's sophmore year. Hope they have a long and productive career here. Sure hope we get a closer for 2022!

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    Re: Cincinnati as a "football town"

    "Force the team to try harder"?

    Jeez that's sad, if that's the case.

    I will say this. Reds ownership has borrowed from Mike Brown's 1990s playbook, impressively.

    It takes great skill and balance to take in profits annually, while keeping their pockets perpetually turned out.

    But again... Some teams always seem to find a way. Other teams always seem to find a way to make excuses.
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    Re: Cincinnati as a "football town"

    I'm not sure that FCC or any other teams had much to do with the 2019 offseason, but I do think drawing just 1.6 million in 2018 scared ownership into trying to do something. When you're finishing 13th or 14th in the league in attendance every single year, your market is telling you they aren't buying what you're selling.

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    Re: Cincinnati as a "football town"

    Quote Originally Posted by bm1475 View Post
    I'm not sure that FCC or any other teams had much to do with the 2019 offseason, but I do think drawing just 1.6 million in 2018 scared ownership into trying to do something. When you're finishing 13th or 14th in the league in attendance every single year, your market is telling you they aren't buying what you're selling.
    Reds have topped 2 million 27 times, 15 times they finished 1st or 2nd that season, the last time the Reds finished as high as 4th in the league was 30 years ago. Not sure if they could lead the league even if they were great, but they could be in the top tier, but the fact remains is the team draws when it wins, the rest of the time it's consistent but not enough to generate huge revenue streams

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    Year	W	L	Ties	W-L%	Finish	          Attendance	
    1976	102	60	0	.630	1st of 6	2629708	1st
    2000	85	77	1	.525	2nd of 6	2577371	10th
    1978	92	69	0	.571	2nd of 6	2532497	3rd
    1977	88	74	0	.543	2nd of 6	2519670	3rd
    2013	90	72	0	.556	3rd of 5	2492101	10
    2014	76	86	0	.469	4th of 5	2476664	8th
    1993	73	89	0	.451	5th of 7	2453232	9th
    2015	64	98	0	.395	5th of 5	2419506	11th
    1990	91	71	0	.562	1st of 6	2400892	4th
    1991	74	88	0	.457	5th of 6	2372377	3rd
    1979	90	71	0	.559	1st of 6	2356933	3rd
    2003	69	93	0	.426	5th of 6	2355259	8th
    2012	97	65	0	.599	1st of 6	2347251	10th
    1992	90	72	0	.556	2nd of 6	2315946	4th
    1975	108	54	0	.667	1st of 6	2315603	2nd
    2004	76	86	0	.469	4th of 6	2287250	12th
    2011	79	83	0	.488	3rd of 6	2213588	10th
    1987	84	78	0	.519	2nd of 6	2185205	4th
    1974	98	64	1	.605	2nd of 6	2164307	2nd
    2006	80	82	0	.494	3rd of 6	2134607	12th
    1988	87	74	0	.540	2nd of 6	2072528	4th
    1999	96	67	0	.589	2nd of 6	2061222	11th
    2010	91	71	0	.562	1st of 6	2060550	12th
    2008	74	88	0	.457	5th of 6	2058632	14th
    2007	72	90	0	.444	5th of 6	2058593	13th
    1980	89	73	1	.549	3rd of 6	2022450	5th
    1973	99	63	0	.611	1st of 6	2017601	2nd

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    I think they felt that 1.8ish million was the bare minimum "just put 9 guys in Reds uniforms out there and we'll get this number" kind of figure in their minds, and in the third year of tanking the fanbase finally started to say "enough."

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    Re: Cincinnati as a "football town"

    There were periods of time, during the Lindner and Bryan Price years, when it was clear that ownership was in long-term cheapass mode.

    That's when my Reds spending budget would revert to "Nothing. Not one dime."

    I highly recommend this for the forseeable future. These guys are back to milking the fanbase again.


    The Bengals success won't have much of an impact. Different times of the year for the most part. FCC's early success got under thier skin because they play at the same time of year on many occasions and FCC was actually out-drawing them. That had to be some serious burn notice material from Kinsington and Wearthers Family smart-alecks at the private yacht parties. Insufferable, those two. Really makes you just want to stay out on the slopes and skip the foot massages alltogether.
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    Re: Cincinnati as a "football town"

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    Maybe the opposite short of winning the Super Bowl, when the Bengals demand a new doomed stadium in a few years they will be met with derisive laughter.
    "Doomed" Stadium? Freudian slip?
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    I honestly don't mind if Cincinnati becomes a football town. Football is an enjoyable sport to watch and play and if we become a football town, it's probably b/c the Bengals are winning.

    Cincinnati's place in history as a baseball town is what makes it special to me. We still have the savor of the BRM from the not too distant past and of course the Redstockings as the first all professional team.

    If the Reds are going to remain a baseball town then they need to win, keep the tradition alive and keep recruiting the youth/families to participate. I think they do a really good job at the latter two and I'm encouraged by the progress in winning the last few seasons.


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