The NFL has true TV revenue sharing so you get Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Buffalo, etc teams in the playoffs rather than NYC, LA, SF, Chicago, etc. in the MLB playoffs. But the fat cat big city MLB teams are not going to let go of their lions share of TV revenue so MLB will be continue to be secondary to the NFL and NBA.
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Falls City Beer (01-16-2022),Redsfaithful (01-17-2022),Sea Ray (01-17-2022)
OTOH Baseball is a day to day revenue tool during down time in the viewing public (IE Summer) The real money is in the the contracts teams get for local TV in a 162 game season, the cherry is the national contract for playoffs and the reason owners want to expand that is that they share that pot.
no way the reds will ever move out of cincinnati. i was not even hinting at that when i started this thread. just feels more and more like a football town now. but baseball will always have its place and if the reds are good (meaning a team that actually wins a playoff series), we know the fans will show up. hell, even when the reds are mediocre the TV ratings are excellent for a small market team.
but the nati sure has WHO DEY fever right now. and with burrow as the QB i don't see that changing for a long time. furthermore, as has been pointed out by many in this thread, football is the king sport in america. and that gap is getting wider. so, it's oddly not even a slam on the reds to say cincinnati is turning into more of a football team. basically any city that has an NFL team that is good will turn into a football town. it's just the bengals were the joke of the NFL from 1991-03 and that reputation will take (has taken?) a long time to get over. maybe it's finally time.
Last edited by JFLegal; 01-17-2022 at 10:15 AM.
Yes, but I look at it this way, if the football team is good, then the baseball team will have to be good to compete for the fans attention.
The last time the Bengals went to the SB was 89. We know who won the WS the next year. When the Reds won the WS in 76 the Bengals were big contenders. When one team is good, it forces the other team to get better.
Either way, I'm so glad the Bengals have finally rolled away the reproach of the football world
i hear you, and hopefully that is what happens (the bengals being good will force the reds to try harder at being good). although, with the reds, i get the feeling that overall during the castellini years, they've *tried* to win (save for the obvious years when they tanked) but they don't know *how* to win. cannot properly construct a roster. went into last season without a true centerfielder, a true shortstop or a true closer. what baseball team does that? the reds overpay for certain guys. rarely fare well in trades. they do all the things you cannot do when you are a small market team. or a baseball team in general.
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DayGameRedLegs (01-17-2022)
Remember when the Reds spent all that money in the off season in 2019? I think that's b/c FC soccer was getting a new stadium and moving up to the top division. Hopefully the Bengals do spur them on.
I've come to enjoy being a Reds fan more when winning is important, but isn't everything. When they're struggling, I like watching older games.
I wonder if Senzel will return and be healthy. I was upset for the longest when they released Jose Iglesias, but Farmer gets it done for me. Excited to see India and Stephenson's sophmore year. Hope they have a long and productive career here. Sure hope we get a closer for 2022!
"Force the team to try harder"?
Jeez that's sad, if that's the case.
I will say this. Reds ownership has borrowed from Mike Brown's 1990s playbook, impressively.
It takes great skill and balance to take in profits annually, while keeping their pockets perpetually turned out.
But again... Some teams always seem to find a way. Other teams always seem to find a way to make excuses.
"Lemonade requires a significant amount of sugar. Otherwise, you've just made lemon juice."
I'm not sure that FCC or any other teams had much to do with the 2019 offseason, but I do think drawing just 1.6 million in 2018 scared ownership into trying to do something. When you're finishing 13th or 14th in the league in attendance every single year, your market is telling you they aren't buying what you're selling.
DayGameRedLegs (01-18-2022)
Reds have topped 2 million 27 times, 15 times they finished 1st or 2nd that season, the last time the Reds finished as high as 4th in the league was 30 years ago. Not sure if they could lead the league even if they were great, but they could be in the top tier, but the fact remains is the team draws when it wins, the rest of the time it's consistent but not enough to generate huge revenue streams
Code:Year W L Ties W-L% Finish Attendance 1976 102 60 0 .630 1st of 6 2629708 1st 2000 85 77 1 .525 2nd of 6 2577371 10th 1978 92 69 0 .571 2nd of 6 2532497 3rd 1977 88 74 0 .543 2nd of 6 2519670 3rd 2013 90 72 0 .556 3rd of 5 2492101 10 2014 76 86 0 .469 4th of 5 2476664 8th 1993 73 89 0 .451 5th of 7 2453232 9th 2015 64 98 0 .395 5th of 5 2419506 11th 1990 91 71 0 .562 1st of 6 2400892 4th 1991 74 88 0 .457 5th of 6 2372377 3rd 1979 90 71 0 .559 1st of 6 2356933 3rd 2003 69 93 0 .426 5th of 6 2355259 8th 2012 97 65 0 .599 1st of 6 2347251 10th 1992 90 72 0 .556 2nd of 6 2315946 4th 1975 108 54 0 .667 1st of 6 2315603 2nd 2004 76 86 0 .469 4th of 6 2287250 12th 2011 79 83 0 .488 3rd of 6 2213588 10th 1987 84 78 0 .519 2nd of 6 2185205 4th 1974 98 64 1 .605 2nd of 6 2164307 2nd 2006 80 82 0 .494 3rd of 6 2134607 12th 1988 87 74 0 .540 2nd of 6 2072528 4th 1999 96 67 0 .589 2nd of 6 2061222 11th 2010 91 71 0 .562 1st of 6 2060550 12th 2008 74 88 0 .457 5th of 6 2058632 14th 2007 72 90 0 .444 5th of 6 2058593 13th 1980 89 73 1 .549 3rd of 6 2022450 5th 1973 99 63 0 .611 1st of 6 2017601 2nd
I think they felt that 1.8ish million was the bare minimum "just put 9 guys in Reds uniforms out there and we'll get this number" kind of figure in their minds, and in the third year of tanking the fanbase finally started to say "enough."
*BaseClogger* (01-19-2022)
There were periods of time, during the Lindner and Bryan Price years, when it was clear that ownership was in long-term cheapass mode.
That's when my Reds spending budget would revert to "Nothing. Not one dime."
I highly recommend this for the forseeable future. These guys are back to milking the fanbase again.
The Bengals success won't have much of an impact. Different times of the year for the most part. FCC's early success got under thier skin because they play at the same time of year on many occasions and FCC was actually out-drawing them. That had to be some serious burn notice material from Kinsington and Wearthers Family smart-alecks at the private yacht parties. Insufferable, those two. Really makes you just want to stay out on the slopes and skip the foot massages alltogether.
Last edited by Bob Sheed; 01-18-2022 at 04:57 PM.
"Lemonade requires a significant amount of sugar. Otherwise, you've just made lemon juice."
KronoRed (01-19-2022)
I honestly don't mind if Cincinnati becomes a football town. Football is an enjoyable sport to watch and play and if we become a football town, it's probably b/c the Bengals are winning.
Cincinnati's place in history as a baseball town is what makes it special to me. We still have the savor of the BRM from the not too distant past and of course the Redstockings as the first all professional team.
If the Reds are going to remain a baseball town then they need to win, keep the tradition alive and keep recruiting the youth/families to participate. I think they do a really good job at the latter two and I'm encouraged by the progress in winning the last few seasons.
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