Lockout time waster - Best Reds seasons with the bat

[westofyou]

11 start spans, division era

First	Last			Games	Span Start	Span End	OPS	W	L		ERA	GS	CG	SHO	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	WHIP	SB	CS	WPA	GSc
Johnny	Cueto		 -	11	4/16/2014	6/11/2014	.451	6	3		1.78	11	3	2	0	81	44	21	16	5	14	86	0.716	2	1	2.3	70
Trevor	Bauer		 -	11	7/26/2020	9/23/2020	.522	5	4		1.73	11	2	2	0	73	41	17	14	9	17	100	0.795	6	2	1.5	69
Mario	Soto		 -	11	4/13/1984	6/11/1984	.504	6	1		2.17	11	4	0	0	83	41	22	20	9	28	65	0.831	5	8	2.1	69
Gary	Nolan		 -	11	4/22/1975	6/12/1975	.533	7	2		2.23	11	5	1	0	84.2	62	21	21	6	11	37	0.862	5	1	1.6	64
Fred	Norman		 -	11	6/16/1976	8/5/1976	.476	7	1		1.27	9	7	2	0	78	51	14	11	1	17	55	0.872	4	1	2.3	71
Danny	Jackson		 -	11	6/28/1988	8/13/1988	.495	9	1		1.74	11	5	1	0	88	60	19	17	3	17	59	0.875	6	2	2.6	68
Jose	Rijo		 -	11	8/7/1992	9/27/1992	.516	7	1		1.54	11	0	0	0	76	53	15	13	3	15	54	0.895	4	6	2.1	65

[Bourgeois Zee]

11 start spans, division era

First	Last			Games	Span Start	Span End	OPS	W	L		ERA	GS	CG	SHO	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	WHIP	SB	CS	WPA	GSc
Johnny	Cueto		 -	11	4/16/2014	6/11/2014	.451	6	3		1.78	11	3	2	0	81	44	21	16	5	14	86	0.716	2	1	2.3	70
Trevor	Bauer		 -	11	7/26/2020	9/23/2020	.522	5	4		1.73	11	2	2	0	73	41	17	14	9	17	100	0.795	6	2	1.5	69
Mario	Soto		 -	11	4/13/1984	6/11/1984	.504	6	1		2.17	11	4	0	0	83	41	22	20	9	28	65	0.831	5	8	2.1	69
Gary	Nolan		 -	11	4/22/1975	6/12/1975	.533	7	2		2.23	11	5	1	0	84.2	62	21	21	6	11	37	0.862	5	1	1.6	64
Fred	Norman		 -	11	6/16/1976	8/5/1976	.476	7	1		1.27	9	7	2	0	78	51	14	11	1	17	55	0.872	4	1	2.3	71
Danny	Jackson		 -	11	6/28/1988	8/13/1988	.495	9	1		1.74	11	5	1	0	88	60	19	17	3	17	59	0.875	6	2	2.6	68
Jose	Rijo		 -	11	8/7/1992	9/27/1992	.516	7	1		1.54	11	0	0	0	76	53	15	13	3	15	54	0.895	4	6	2.1	65

That Freddy Norman streak in 1976 was awesome.

[Tony Cloninger]

Tolan solid CF with great arm? I sure missed that.

That aside, I remember that when Sparky was asked about any regrets and things he did that he would change if he could and he stated the way he handled the Bobby Tolan situation. I don't remember if I knew what that was all about and forgot, or just never knew. But he felt he did Tolan wrong. Anyone have any details on what went down between the two?

After Tolan pulled a 1968 Curt Flood pulling lame on a fly all in game 7 of the 72 series the other Reds players. The main guys who would needle you as only 70s alpha males can. They took some jabs at Tolan. He was already slumping after a good start that year. He was introverted and did not take the jokes as well as others. During one batting practice there were fly balls being hit and players were talking about who could have caught that or if that was a hit. On one hit to center someone said that was an out but Rose said. No, not if Tolan is in center. Something to this effect basically men giving each other crap during a long season. Tolan did not take it well of course. He continues feeling down and slumping.
Like WOY he started growing a beard. The Players Association had already dealt with how they handled the Alex Johnson situation in 1971 with the Angels.
Management was not tolerant of any malcontents or understood any issues of mental health very well.
Just get on with it and play. They ended up trading him for Clay Kirby.

The 1973 series could have used a 1970-72 Tolan but the pitching was not great or even ok either after Game 1.
9 runs allowed in Game 3 and 5 against that barely average Mets offense? It was Staub and not much else. I don’t think Cleon Jones was that good anymore and John Milner was not yet as good as he would be with the Pirates. Who else did they have?
Ross Grimsley was another free spirit who like to let his hair grow out. They even had Pedro The Barber of the Ville Borbon cutting his hair when according to management it got too close to 1964 Beatles length. He pitched badly and Sparky and Bob just did not have tolerance for non star’s attitude. Off he goes as well in the off season for Rettenmund.

Tom Hall lost his fastball or something that year. Maybe he was worn out but he had nothing left and got hit. Billingham was great in Game 1 but had nothing in Game 5. Then Driessen has a mental error in the game and the Mets have a big inning to settle that.

I really felt bad for Cactus Jack. He had about 4 chances to win 20 in 1973 but in each start I don’t think he made it past 2-3 innings. In a couple of them he couldn’t get out of the 1st.
It was like trying to watch Votto trying to get to 100 RBI. To a lot of people now those numbers don’t matter but they did to players and to me having a 20 game winner was a big deal. And to a pitcher working almost 300 innings that year it was too. More money. It looks cooler on the baseball card and the latest Baseball Encyclopedia edition. Plus you got tired of hearing how the Reds had no 20 game winners to therefore their pitching must suck.

Jack also had a chance for 20 in 1974 and he had the same issues again. Got bombed in the 1st innings a few times. He had about 3 final starts to win it and just could not do it. Then in 75 Gullett probably could have been a Cy Young candidate if he had not had his thumb broken.

[westofyou]

Fred Norman's SABR Bio

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/fred-norman/

[Tony Cloninger]

Fred Norman's SABR Bio

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/fred-norman/

I liked Norman. Sparky jerked him around too much I thought sometimes. He was a great addition in 1973 for only Gene Locklear. He came in with a bunch of CG and steady pitching that was need after no Gary Nolan and Roger Nelson getting a bad arm. I wonder if the Reds asked for Steve Busby or Paul Splitorff. I don’t think those 2 were yet established as the good starters they became yet.

[bm1475]

Not to be pedantic but 1974 is the only year Billingham had four shots at a 20th win and got bombed in all of them. He only started one more game after win 19 in 1973, and went seven innings in a 4-3 loss to the Giants.

[Tony Cloninger]

Not to be pedantic but 1974 is the only year Billingham had four shots at a 20th win and got bombed in all of them. He only started one more game after win 19 in 1973, and went seven innings in a 4-3 loss to the Giants.

I don’t mind pedantic. Just don’t be pandemic.

It was the 70s man. My mind is in a hazy fog of winter.

[foster15]

Thinking about Tolan and Woodward, and going back to the Frank Robinson trade, so many things that were considered mistakes or bad luck turned out to be big reasons why we had those two world series championships.

With Frank Robinson, the Reds were never going to win a championship because they didn't have the pitching. Trading him led to Carroll, Woodward and Cloninger plus Borbon. It also led to Vern Geishert(also Jim Mcglothlin) who was part of the trade that brought George Foster to the Reds. Foster being part of the Reds is the result of a lot of things going wrong. If Tolan doesn't tear his Achilles, we don't trade for Foster. If Woodward retires a year earlier, we probably don't trade Frank Duffy and therefore no Foster.

Also, if Tolan doesn't tear his achilles, Howsam might not have realized how much speed we still needed and the Morgan trade might not have happened.

[cumberlandreds]

I don’t mind pedantic. Just don’t be pandemic.

It was the 70s man. My mind is in a hazy fog of winter.

Ah..... memory is funny thing as you get older.

[westofyou]

Best 50 Game stretch for Runs scored in a Reds season since 1969

Span Start	Span End	OPS	W	L	PA	AB	RS	RA	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BA	OBP	SLG	BB	SO	SB	CS
5/13/1977	7/6/1977	.889	32	18	2004	1740	312	248	531	101	15	73	290	.305	.383	.506	217	280	75	24
5/26/1994	7/22/1994	.849	30	20	1997	1775	295	215	536	101	24	59	275	.302	.363	.486	170	305	58	23
7/26/1999	9/15/1999	.839	32	18	1993	1757	287	218	501	101	10	75	279	.285	.357	.482	187	331	50	19
6/7/2005	7/31/2005	.838	26	23	1908	1705	279	277	473	99	9	85	268	.277	.342	.496	163	382	27	4
8/2/2007	9/26/2007	.844	26	24	1992	1766	278	275	531	117	7	61	263	.301	.365	.478	171	305	26	5
4/16/1970	6/14/1970	.845	36	14	1950	1706	273	204	485	85	13	78	251	.284	.359	.487	201	329	40	12
4/20/2010	6/12/2010	.843	31	19	1966	1728	271	224	509	102	14	63	261	.295	.363	.479	176	349	34	17

[Big Klu]

Ah..... memory is funny thing as you get older.

Memories...
Light the corners of my mind;
Misty watercolor memories
Of the way we were.

[westofyou]

100 game stretches that are smoking

first	last			Span Start	Span End	OPS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BA	OBP	SLG	BB	IBB	SO
Eric	Davis		 -	4/6/1987	8/12/1987	1.057	434	370	99	114	20	4	33	88	.308	.406	.651	62	6	101
Joey	Votto		 -	6/7/2016	10/1/2016	1.109	438	357	71	137	25	2	19	64	.384	.484	.625	74	9	58
Frank	Rob		 -	5/9/1962	8/20/1962	1.162	426	377	99	142	34	1	31	102	.377	.444	.719	42	9	40
Ted	Klu		 -	5/28/1954	9/12/1954	1.100	444	391	74	134	18	3	37	96	.343	.412	.688	47	10	21
Adam	Dunn		 -	4/12/2002	8/6/2002	1.029	436	333	64	99	19	2	23	61	.297	.455	.574	93	9	104
Joe	Morgan		 -	4/24/1976	8/28/1976	1.107	430	338	92	113	25	5	24	86	.334	.456	.651	82	6	27
Pete	Rose		 -	6/22/1969	9/30/1969	1.014	464	404	74	152	25	8	12	54	.376	.447	.567	54	9	41
Ken	Jr		 -	5/1/2005	8/28/2005	1.006	437	385	76	121	23	0	32	81	.314	.382	.623	43	3	66
George	Foster		 -	4/17/1977	8/8/1977	1.065	440	393	85	129	24	0	37	101	.328	.393	.672	40	6	77
Johnny	Bench		 -	4/28/1970	8/17/1970	1.047	430	383	71	120	25	3	36	107	.313	.371	.676	39	8	63
Tony	Perez		 -	4/8/1970	7/30/1970	1.081	439	369	78	126	15	3	31	96	.341	.431	.650	61	11	80
Kal	Daniels		 -	4/10/1987	9/22/1987	1.083	399	339	71	116	22	1	26	62	.342	.440	.643	58	10	57

[westofyou]

MLB HR leaders 300 + - Active

HOMERUNS                             
Albert Pujols                 679    
Miguel Cabrera                502  
Nelson Cruz                   449  
Giancarlo Stanton             347    
Joey Votto                    331    
Justin Upton                  324   
Evan Longoria                 317    
Mike Trout                    310

[Bourgeois Zee]

MLB HR leaders 300 + - Active

HOMERUNS                             
Albert Pujols                 679    
Miguel Cabrera                502  
Nelson Cruz                   449  
Giancarlo Stanton             347    
Joey Votto                    331    
Justin Upton                  324   
Evan Longoria                 317    
Mike Trout                    310

Will Votto be able to get to 400 HR for his career?

[corkedbat]

Haven't read the rest of the thread (so this may well be a re-hash), but I gotta go with George Foster ('77).
158 G
.320/.382/.631/1.013
52 HR 149 RBI
107 K/689 PA