Not long enough, IMO, but then again, Red ownership spends money in fits and starts.
Williams convinced them to spend some serious coin on player development, and Boddy was part of that coin. So was analytics. Before that, it was international signings and draft capital.
They're not the Marge Schott era team that didn't see the point in having scouts watch ballgames and haven't been for 25 years.
Ron Madden (01-16-2022)
2 years. Which, was the length of his contract. They decided not to give him another contract so he quit a couple weeks early. I think there is more to the Boddy story behind closed doors we will never hear.
Just to be clear, I’m not apologizing for the Reds FO here, it’s a dumpster fire, but I think Boddy was overhyped big time.
As for Buckley. No idea, dude was garbage.
What would you say.....ya do here?
westofyou (01-16-2022)
I like that guys like Lodolo, Greene, Gutierrez, Santillan, Christian Roa, and Bryce Bonnin found real success either in the major or minor leagues during his tenure. Developing high draft picks will likely mean the Reds can compete most seasons in the NL Central.
I love that guys like Graham Ashcraft, Tejay Antone, Braxton Roby, Dauri Moreta, Reiver Sanmartin, Eddy Demurias, Stevie Branche, Eduardo Salazar, Carson Spiers, and James Proctor (among others) found success. Developing UDFA and low draft picks into something that can help either acquire major league talent or as major league talent means the Reds could conceivably compete for championships.
I hope that it's the Red system that made those guys successful. However, since that system hasn't ever developed pitchers as well as they have in the past couple of seasons, I have my doubts.
Ron Madden (01-16-2022)
Actually, consider the two years Boddy was here. There was no minor league season in 2020, so most of his “coaching” was done via video instruction and online meetings with players. In 2021, the minor league season was delayed starting by several weeks (almost two months), and Boddy was out by the end of the summer. Boddy’s actual hands on coaching lasted for one very abbreviated season. That’s really not enough time to evaluate his effectiveness as a coach.
I absolutely agree that there is more to the story than we are aware.
“I think I throw the ball as hard as anyone. The ball just doesn't get there as fast.” — Eddie Bane
“We know we're better than this ... but we can't prove it.” — Tony Gwynn
Nope, Boddy leveraged social media to make it look like he told them to kick rocks, meantime he was seeing the end of a contract like any other hitting or pitching coach would if it didn't work out.
He made noise, the Reds just did business like they do with any other asset they latch on to year in and year out.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
757690 (01-16-2022),Revering4Blue (01-16-2022)
I’m simply saying if you think there’s some romantic connection between Castellini and the roster then you’re very much wrong, imo. I misphrased. I didn’t mean you were being emotional, just that you were describing an emotional connection between ownership and the team that doesn’t exist.
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DayGameRedLegs (01-17-2022)
That was an investment. On balance a good one, but this perceived emotionalism on the part of Castellini is almost certainly a media creation. His first order of business is ballooning the organization’s worth. He couldn’t care less about winning or losing. If he could continue to increase the franchise’s value while losing 100 games a year he’d do it in a heartbeat.
This is so wrong it isn’t worth responding to. But I will make a brief effort:
1. “The losing stops now!” Castellini was rightfully ridiculed for such a emotionally driven quote.
2. The only winning run that the Reds have enjoyed in the last 25 seasons has been under Castellini’s ownership.
3. The Reds have averaged well above $100M payroll over Castellini’s ownership.
4. The Reds under Castellini have been steadily right in the middle of the league in payroll. They were 11th in 2020.
5. The Reds have been active not only in the free agent market, but also in signing their players to extensions, even when they were not smart investments.
6. The Reds were in the playoffs in 2020 and just missed them last year.
7. Castellini has refused to trade high priced veterans because he didn’t want to let down the fans.
And so many more.
Hoping to change my username to 75769024
CaiGuy (01-16-2022),Chip R (01-19-2022),DayGameRedLegs (01-17-2022)
You have to invest something or the turnstiles don’t turn. I guess he should be applauded for not cutting the payroll to league minimum every season, but he’s savvy enough to know that you have to keep some players around to sell tickets. But the idea that he’s foolhardily throwing money at this team out of some emotional drive to win is just not discernible in the facts. He was pretty easy to convince to tank and chase draft picks.
And the 99 team team also had a winning record. And really was probably the best team of the last 27 years given the amount of payroll disparity at the time.
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