Who said that? People often make bad policy with good intentions. And maybe it's good policy, but you haven't presented a very good case other than "experts say so". Also, you may note that I think the parents/family are by far the worst actors here. We all have to adhere to what we perceive to be bad policy sometimes. It's pretty clear the risk of not getting the kidney by refusing vaccination is worse than any risk of potential harm from getting the vaccine.Originally Posted by WrongVerb
Covid is not just any vaccine. It's still in its infancy and in this case, this girl has natural antibodies due to her having already gotten the virus. We're being told to get this vax as early as 4 months after receiving the previous booster because it wanes so fast
Your chances of getting sick may be higher w/o this vax but it does not affect your chances of rejection, as you stated earlier.
I agree that they ought to play the game, get her vaccinated, get her the transplant and fight this battle later. My point in bringing this up is that the C19 hard core policies are still with us. There are still folks panicking over this. I'm also disappointed that the medical profession is not recognizing natural immunity. They should have learned about that in medical school
This Yahoo story includes comments from Duke and asks other professionals what they think. I agree, getting this story from other sources is helpful
https://www.yahoo.com/video/teen-den...220223422.html
I think anyone who thinks they know better than educated, experienced experts is acting out of cynicism.
There's nothing wrong with asking why something is a certain way, or how something works, whatever. Hell, I had arm surgery last month and asked a bunch of questions of my doctor, as well as looked at YouTube videos of the injury, the surgical procedure, and the rehab. That's skepticism.
Cynicism is "I'm not going to trust you, despite your qualifications, and do my own thing instead." Cynicism would be me telling my doctor that I'm just going to rehab on my own after letting the thing heal for a week, because I found some video that told me I could do that, and I didn't want to take the 3-5 months it's going to be before I'm near full strength again.
People also make very GOOD policy, and do so way more often than the bad policy. It's OK to trust others to do a good job, Red.People often make bad policy with good intentions.
Why do I need to make an additional case, though? Virtually the entire medical community agrees on these protocols. This isn't new, as 75 pointed out. Experts can be trusted, rather than cynically disregarded.And maybe it's good policy, but you haven't presented a very good case other than "experts say so".
Agreed that the parents are the bad actors here. It sounds like there was some confusion about what was and wasn't required. (Hell, given that we've learned a lot about Covid, the protocols might have changed during the 2 years this has been going on.)Also, you may note that I think the parents/family are by far the worst actors here. We all have to adhere to what we perceive to be bad policy sometimes. It's pretty clear the risk of not getting the kidney by refusing vaccination is worse than any risk of potential harm from getting the vaccine.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. -- Carl Sagan (Pale Blue Dot)
Well, that's like your opinion, man.
WrongVerb (12-21-2022)
Well, that's like your opinion, man.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. -- Carl Sagan (Pale Blue Dot)
Ben Carson is/was a neurosurgeon. If I had a neurological issue, I would go to Ben Carson. If I had a question about the COVID vaccine for young kids, I will ask their pediatrician.
cumberlandreds (12-21-2022),Revering4Blue (12-21-2022)
Neurosurgeons are far more educated than pediatricians...that said not all pediatricians require their patients to get the vax. Are really to the point where the only experts we can listen to are pediatricians? Are we that specialized? We now discount what a neurosurgeon tells us on medicine? Fauci isn't a pediatrician
Someone hasn't paid attention the last few years!
A smooth sea never made a skilled sailor!
Have no idea what you mean here. I've definitely paid attention. I have to given my profession. If you want to discuss, fine. If not, then I'm not interested anyway
When it comes to my kids I give far more weight to the American Academy of Pediatricians than a neurosurgeon. And you are incorrect, neurosurgeons are not far more educated than pediatricians when it comes to kids.
There is also another caveat, I tend to give epidemiologists and virologist the utmost respect when it comes to viral pathogens and vaccines to combat those pathogens. When your entire career is dedicated to fighting infectious diseases, you know far more than what a patrician neurosurgeon. At the same time, I don't care what Faucci would say if I had a neurological issue, I would find a well respected neurologist.
Funny thing is, I have a buddy who is an orthopedic Dr. He was asked by another friend how long the recovery for a gall bladder removal takes. My buddy responded, I have no clue, if it had to deal with ortho I could give you an answer, but I don't know about ball bladders.
You can't say I'm incorrect and then quote something different. The bolded above was added by you. My original statement was/is correct factually as written by me. In this Duke case, it's not about pediatricians. There are all sorts of different doctors involved.
As for pediatricians some recommend it. Some don't
Benjamin S. Carson, M.D., Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at The Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, MD.
I think Dr Carson is more than qualified to talk about kids' health
I agree, when it comes to neurology, Carson would be very knowledgeable.
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