Relievers come out of nowhere to have a passable season or two in middle relief kind of all the timeOriginally Posted by mth123
Relievers come out of nowhere to have a passable season or two in middle relief kind of all the time
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109 ERA+ over the past 5 seasons. That seems like the very definition of solid for a middle reliever.
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And its usually a fluke that isn't repeatable.
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Adding Lucas Luetge as another pitcher they had here and never got anything out of him. I harp on these things because this team cannot afford to miss on this stuff. They are truly the opposite of what the Rays can do with limited resources. Or extreme cheapness.
Had a 6.75 ERA in 2022 prior to being outrighted
Had a 6.4 ERA in 2021
Had a 5.9 K/9 in 2020
Had a 5.3 BB/9 in 2018
Doesn't equal solid.
Solid to me is a player who hasn't been passed through 29 other clubs' waiver wires in the past 150 days ago.
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Why must he be replaced by a AAAA player? This club can't find more proven relievers this off-season?
Has he pitched well since his contract been repurchased? Absolutely.
Is there anything in his past to assume he'll pitch this well going forward. Absolutely not. (had a career 1.4 HR/9 rate and a 1.52 WHIP entering this season)
Reds won’t pay for enough proven relievers to fully re-stock this pen beyond Diaz and a few other keepers. If they cut guys like Farmer, they’ll go well into the land of AAAA guys to fill the pen.
Unless one thinks Reds will spend on, say, four proven relievers. More likely one, two, or possibly none.
Last edited by Kc61; 10-02-2022 at 06:23 PM.
Dude, that is one of the most impressive examples of cherry picking I have every seen. Congratulations.
Middle relievers are by definition the worst pitchers on the pitching staff. They aren’t going to have shiny stats. If they did, they wouldn’t be middle relievers. The also tend to be volatile. The best way to judge them is to look at how they perform over many years. League average over 5 seasons is solid for a middle reliever, no matter how hard you try to spin it.
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FIFY
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Buck Farmer's career ERA+ was an 83 entering the 2022 season.
You'd argue water wasn't wet with me at this point, it's exhausting.
I already showed that he had a terrible start to his career, but then developed into a reliable middle reliever for the past 5 seasons. Keep up.
When projecting a player, you look at what he has done over the last few years, weighing what he has done most recently. Farmer has had these ERA+ over the last 5 seasons”
2018: 108
2019: 128
2020: 121
2021: 68
2022: 114
That is solid, reliable decent, whatever term you want to use. He has had one off year in the last 5 seasons, and above average the other 4. You would be hard pressed to fine middle relievers who were better than that over the past 5 seasons.
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Question seems pretty simple to me. Can you find 15 relievers better than Buck Farmer? Because that's how many you are really going to need. If you can, release him. Good luck.
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and I think the answer is easily yes if they are willing to try. If they aren't willing, I guess it doesn't really matter who is out there.
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You know the Reds are not going to come up with 15 relievers better than Farmer. They might add two, maybe. This is the team whose high flyers have been Doolittle and Strickiand for under $2 million each.
They might add one or two serious relievers. That should be the operating premise based on the last several years. It’s actually optimistic based on that history.
Last edited by Kc61; 10-03-2022 at 12:38 PM.
Diaz, Antone, SanMartin, Cessa, Santillan is five. A spot for the minor league shuttle is a must to manage workload (Kuhnel??). Add a RH and a lefty who are actually good and there are the 8 guys for the bullpen. Connor Overton would be an alternative to Santillan or Kuhnel. As a veteran with no options, Farmer can't hang out in AAA as depth, so once you get to 8, there isn't room for him unless he's willing to come back on a minor league deal (which is what I've said all along).
Last edited by mth123; 10-03-2022 at 12:45 PM.
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Farmer will be a free agent this offseason. No need to release him.
The Reds will build a list of free agent relievers that they will target. My guess is that Farmer will be on that list, but near the bottom of the list. He’s a decent option for 2023, but there are better ones that will be available. I hope the Reds find better options, but I would be fine if they end up signing him for 2023.
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