It was reported before the season that due to shortened spring training there would be an increase in soft tissue injuries.Originally Posted by cumberlandreds
Just like the short spring training in the covid season
It was reported before the season that due to shortened spring training there would be an increase in soft tissue injuries.
Just like the short spring training in the covid season
cumberlandreds (10-04-2022)
That and bad teams like the Reds are always trying to fit square pegs into round holes all of the time which makes for a lot of player moves.
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REDREAD (10-18-2022),Ron Madden (10-04-2022)
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Reds transactions:
RHP Raynel Espinal, RHP Ryan Hendrix and C Chuckie Robinson cleared waivers and were outrighted off the 40-man roster to Triple-A Louisville
C Michael Papierski was claimed off waivers by the Tigers.
C Aramis Garcia and C Mark Kolozsvary were claimed off waivers by the Orioles.
Last edited by Ron Madden; 10-14-2022 at 05:40 PM.
757690 (10-14-2022)
Was wondering when they were going to clear some space on the roster like other teams have been doing.
Good luck to the catchers, none of whom I will miss.
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Reds now with 34 players on the forty, 11 on the 60 day IL, and will have 5 free agents (decline of Minor and Wilson options included). Nets out to 40 guys.
(Edit: Chase Anderson reportedly a FA, would be #6, could bring Reds down to 39 on 40 man roster.)
Before the Winter Meetings there will be another round of cuts.
Last edited by Kc61; 10-14-2022 at 08:45 PM.
757690 (10-14-2022)
Hopefully this is a sign that the Reds will be investing in a veteran catcher to back up Stephenson.
Also a sad reflection on the 2022 40 man roster that all these guys were on in it at the end of the season.
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REDREAD (10-18-2022)
Already have the back up Austin Romine... cheaper is all the Reds want to do for 2023. Not spend.
Romine is gone as soon as there’s a world champion.
Yes, last off-season Reds mentioned backup catcher as a need yet they never filled it with a true MLB-level player. IMO, this was one of the more unacceptable aspects of the 2022 cost cutting. It meant that when Stephenson was out of the lineup, the drop off would be massive.
It rivaled the season when Reds began with no starting shortstop, or all the very weak bullpens to begin various seasons.
Even in a down, rebuilding season, you need to present the fans with the basics of a full roster, though obviously some guys will be below average or developing on a rebuilding squad.
Last edited by Kc61; 10-15-2022 at 07:43 AM.
REDREAD (10-18-2022)
Garcia was a solid backup catcher. Couldn’t hit, but strong defense and the pitchers loved pitching to him. When he and Stephenson got hurt, the lack of depth was revealed, until the Reds picked up Romine from St. Louis, who also couldn’t hit but was strong behind the plate.
Few teams have backup catchers that can hit. There were 70 catchers in the majors last year with at least 100 PA’s. 37 had an OPS under .650.
IIRC, you fought hard for the Reds to keep Barnhart, who was terrible at the plate this year, not much better than Garcia or Romine with the bat. Looks like the Reds made the right move there, saving $7.5M. There really was no need to spend any resources on a backup catcher better than Garcia in this lost season. The problem was that he and Stephenson got injured at the same time.
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The Reds have a quality backup catcher already on their roster, but he's too busy cosplaying as a middle of the order bat to play there.
Moving Farmer to catcher for the 60 gamers Stephenson needs to rest makes both fiscal and baseball sense.
Garcia is a lifetime -.1 fWAR player - below replacement level - with a lifetime wRC+ of 58. He’s a AAA swing man fill-in type player. He was never going to be the right secondary catcher for Stephenson.
Barnhart would have been a decent try. The Reds did not try. We don’t know how Barnhart would have hit at GABP, rather than Detroit. But at least it would have been an attempt at a decent secondary catcher.
Secondary catchers play often today. They are a basic part of the team. Reds failed there, as they’ve now conceded by waiving virtually their whole backup catcher crew in the first post-season cut.
Last edited by Kc61; 10-15-2022 at 11:49 AM.
Of the 70 catchers in MLB this year with at least 100 PA’s, 45 had a fWAR of 1 or lower, 37 had a fWAR of 0.5 or lower. 20 had a fWAR of 0.0 or lower.
That means getting a back up catcher that is meaningfully above replacement level is difficult and costly. A team that is not going to compete doesn’t need to spend resources on a backup catcher. They need to find a backup catcher who is strong defensively, and who can handle a pitching staff.
The Reds did that with Garcia, and then with Romine. They failed with both Stephenson and Garcia were injured mid-year, until they were able to get Romine from the Cardinals.
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You’re using 2022 season stats to examine pre-season decisions. Did the Reds have a crystal ball? Could they predict that hitting stats in general would be way down in 2022?
Difficult and costly? 27 teams had a higher catching fWAR than Reds did. Reds used six catchers other than Stephenson, every one of whom was at 0 or below replacement level according to fWAR. They were 0 for 6.
Again - if the Reds did so well how come they waived four catchers in the first cut yesterday? Only Romine remains and he’s a free agent. The final one, Okey, was cut earlier.
Last edited by Kc61; 10-15-2022 at 12:11 PM.
He hasn’t caught in 3 years. No thanks.
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