Reminds me of Scooter who had 2 good years and then fell off the earth
Reminds me of Scooter who had 2 good years and then fell off the earth
Wonderful Monds (06-14-2022)
If you have any inkling he's going to get 2/$26M, you may be best letting him walk for the comp pick. You don't have to offer him a QO anymore to get itOriginally Posted by HokieRed
Agree. In trading for prospects, just like in drafting them, you don’t get sidetracked by the rankings. If the Reds make trades for prospects, they need to independently decide on the prospect’s potential.
And clubs never have 26 superstars on their teams. If someone projects as a useful player, including a solid bench guy or relief pitcher, he may have value in an acquisition. Getting that player young and locking him up for several years cheaply adds to that value.
Last edited by Kc61; 06-14-2022 at 02:58 PM.
Its not a matter of falling in love with Drury. I'd deal him tomorrow for something that seems to have future value. I think many here just think the Reds should deal all these guys for whatever dreck can be dredged-up. I think the Reds need to show the Rest of the league they aren't their minor league system for people just to take for whatever they want. Make a real offer and we'll deal him. Otherwise we'll keep him.
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CaiGuy (06-14-2022),Revering4Blue (06-17-2022),wlf WV (06-14-2022)
What's the current rule on getting comp picks?
The play is to get through the year, evaluate the roster, and make your decision then. I'm guessing they'll have first shot with him at a reasonable rate.
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Here is what I found (from TSN):
— $25 million in guaranteed salary or $18 million average annual value (AAV) (third round pick for revenue sharing payee)
— $55 million or $23 million AAV (Comp B pick for revenue sharing payee, third round for non-payee or team that did not pay luxury tax)
— $100 million or $30 million AAV (Comp A pick for revenue sharing payee, Comp B pick for non-payee or team that did not pay luxury tax, third round pick for team paying revenue sharing)
— $150 million or $40 million AAV (Comp A pick and third round pick for revenue sharing payee, Comp A pick for non-payee or team that did not pay luxury tax, Comp B pick for team paying revenue sharing)
No one is really saying trade him for "dreck." What is being said is, no, you won't get an elite prospect in return, but you could possibly get someone that has some upside to contribute at the big league level. A prospect that turns into a solid reliever or utility player has real value, and something you don't have to in turn buy at marked up prices on the free agent market.
...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.
Old school 1983 (06-14-2022)
Joel Luckhaupt
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Scooter Gennett - picked up during 2017 ST, has new career high in HR before All Star Game
Derek Dietrich - picked up during 2019 ST, has new career high in HR before All Star Game
Brandon Drury - picked up during 2022 ST, needs 5 HR for new career high with 31 games til ASG
Revering4Blue (06-17-2022)
I wouldn't offer him that, and I don't think the Reds should. Just offering Canha as a comp. Duvall's another. I just don't think you'll get the guy for 10 for 2 years. If he posts a 127 OPS+ for the year, somebody will pay him more than that and probably more than the Reds will be willing to risk.
I wouldn't give the guy $10M total, so I'm definitely not talking about signing him. I'm saying if he's getting that amount of $ on the free agent market, the comp pick may be better than anything you'd get back in trade for a rental who could turn into a pumpkin
Drury is the perfect guy to add to a Mahle or Castillo trade to a contender and get back a MLB piece that’s semi established but has potential because he could easily backfill that guys role. If the Reds could land a guy like Lux in such a deal, adding Drury would soften the blow of losing Lux and the Dodgers could figure it out in the off-season. That’s just one example.
I might see if the Yankees would trade Drury for Andujar. Less control, but could contribute to the big club down the stretch. Andujar can’t do that from AAA purgatory.
mth123 (06-14-2022)
Calling Drury just a one year phenomenon is to ignore his 23 and 24 year old seasons. Over those two years he got 100XBH in 979 AB's. That's pretty damn good for a kid than age. Would that the Reds had a flock of those coming along! Even in his pretty bad year in Toronto in 2019 he had pretty decent XBH numbers. His problem has always been low W rates; the K rate is very acceptable for a guy with his power. One narrative is that he's having a career year and will slide back like so many others. Another is that he's finally in a situation where he can realize what he showed much earlier in his career. The power is for real; he may be a chance to get a lot more for the money than the market will see--but obviously there's a lot of risk there. I doubt the Reds can really afford to take the risk--having blown so much stupid money on more seemingly safe FA's like Moustakas--but if he finishes this year at something like where he is now, I don't think you're going to come anywhere near signing him for 10 for 2. I see no reason not to think Canha is a good comp. Mets paid him 26 for 2 at age 33. Duvall's probably another decent comp; makes around 9 I think. Somebody will give Drury money in that area.
No chance LA deals Lux, but New York's Andujar is likely eminently available (and for less than Drury).
I do like the thought of attaching Drury to, say, Castillo, as a way of extracting a high-level guy already in the major leagues.
A Castillo and Drury deal for Isaac Paredes, Josh Lowe, Taj Bradley deal would be a boon for the Reds-- and perhaps be enough for the Rays to push past New York in the playoffs.
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