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    Re: Robot Umps Getting Closer

    Yay, perfection!
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    Re: Robot Umps Getting Closer

    Yay! As well for me. (No sarcasm)

    But the geek in me wants to know if it is a 3D robo-zone (it should be) or a 2D one (which still should be better than a human one).

    It sure looks to be 2D (edit)
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    Re: Robot Umps Getting Closer

    A 3d one would be nice, but I agree, a 2D one would be a massive improvement over what we have today.
    Even if the automated zone is not perfect, at least it will be consistent from game to game.
    Hopefully it translates to higher batting averages across the league.. even if its at the expense of OBP (because IMO, hits are more exciting than walks)
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    Re: Robot Umps Getting Closer

    Why does this song run through my head when I think of robot umpires?

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    Re: Robot Umps Getting Closer

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Yay! As well for me. (No sarcasm)

    But the geek in me wants to know if it is a 3D robo-zone (it should be) or a 2D one (which still should be better than a human one).

    It sure looks to be 2D (edit)
    Yeah. What if there's a pitch that misses the corner(s) but happens to clip that back triangle of the plate?
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    Re: Robot Umps Getting Closer

    I'll be the first to admit some home plate umps can stink, but I'm not a fan of this. This will be another step into MLB becoming a sterile lifeless product IMO. They're running off all the old fans and not creating any new ones. I'm fine with replays on close plays at bases other sports have them, but to have a bot calling the biggest chunk of the game just doesn't sit right with me.

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    Re: Robot Umps Getting Closer

    Quote Originally Posted by JCM11 View Post
    I'll be the first to admit some home plate umps can stink, but I'm not a fan of this. This will be another step into MLB becoming a sterile lifeless product IMO. They're running off all the old fans and not creating any new ones. I'm fine with replays on close plays at bases other sports have them, but to have a bot calling the biggest chunk of the game just doesn't sit right with me.
    It’s coming so I’d just say give it a chance when it comes out. I have a sneaky suspicion most everyone will be glad once it gets put into place.

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    Re: Robot Umps Getting Closer

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    A 3d one would be nice, but I agree, a 2D one would be a massive improvement over what we have today.
    Even if the automated zone is not perfect, at least it will be consistent from game to game.
    Hopefully it translates to higher batting averages across the league.. even if its at the expense of OBP (because IMO, hits are more exciting than walks)
    I'm not sure how an automated strike zone would effect OBP one away or another.

    I do believe that it would result in more balls being called balls and more strikes being called strikes, that's good enough for me.

    I hate that the strike zone can change from day to day based on the style or the incompetence that days home plate umpire.

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    Re: Robot Umps Getting Closer

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Yay! As well for me. (No sarcasm)

    But the geek in me wants to know if it is a 3D robo-zone (it should be) or a 2D one (which still should be better than a human one).

    It sure looks to be 2D (edit)
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    Re: Robot Umps Getting Closer

    Quote Originally Posted by JCM11 View Post
    I'll be the first to admit some home plate umps can stink, but I'm not a fan of this. This will be another step into MLB becoming a sterile lifeless product IMO. They're running off all the old fans and not creating any new ones. I'm fine with replays on close plays at bases other sports have them, but to have a bot calling the biggest chunk of the game just doesn't sit right with me.
    I remember when I was 5 or so. We went to the park and I was sort of bored. But then, suddenly, an umpire called a pitch 3" off the outside corner a strike. It was magic. The next inning he called the exact same pitch a ball. The pitcher got mad an stomped around the mound. It was at that moment I understand the beauty of the human element. I've loved baseball ever since.

    Seriously, nobody became a fan of baseball because of the fallibility and inconsistency of human beings calling the balls and strikes. If we had always had a "robo-ump" calling balls and strikes, nobody would be advocating that we let people make the determination of whether the small spinning sphere dancing through the air at 100 mph passed through the invisible, ill-defined, 3D region of space. I'll maintain the affinity for umps calling balls and strikes extends no further than "I like what I'm used to; the machines creep me out."
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    Re: Robot Umps Getting Closer

    Quote Originally Posted by malcontent View Post
    It's always been just a 2D plane, hasn't it?
    The rulebook zone includes the 3D region above home plate. In practice, I doubt any umpire is thinking about varying depths of the ball crossing into the zone (though I would be fascinated to learn otherwise).

    edit: though I admittedly did not read through this whole article, it seems to suggest that the best representation of the zone as called includes the area over the rectangular portion of home plate (ignoring the triangular portion) - shifted/stretched accordingly in the other 2 dimensions.
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    Re: Robot Umps Getting Closer

    I suspect it's going to add called strikes on balance. There's a lot of room on the corners and down where pitches aren't especially hittable that are going to get appropriately called as strikes now -- especially stuff that nips that area while tailing further out of the zone. Meanwhile, the stuff on the outside edge is, I'm guessing, easier to put in play. So while players will eventually adjust and take more, there is still some incentive for them to chase a bit.

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    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Robot Umps Getting Closer

    And it’s not just batters getting rung up or walking on a strike 3 or ball 4.

    I saw the other night LA was playing AZ and AZ was down a few but had the bases loaded with no outs. Well on a 1-0 pitch the ump calls a ball well off the plate a strike and turned the AB totally around and LA got out of the inning allowing no runs. The disgraceful call totally messed up that game. (I found the AB it was Buehler vs Luplow if you want to and are able see it)

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    Re: Robot Umps Getting Closer

    Pretty sure the robo ump technology being tested uses a 3d space above home plate.

    Edit: I’m wrong, it’s 2d

    https://technology.mlblogs.com/devel...s-d4f499deff31

    “…but as a general rule, ABS constructs a two-dimensional shape on the x/z plane at a specific depth and checks whether the ball intersects that shape. The ball is modeled as a circle centered at a point along the pitch arc with a radius of 1.45 inches as defined in Rule 3.01 of the Major League Rulebook. The result of the ball/strike evaluation is then relayed to the umpire; “
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