2023 Reds Payroll

[LeatherPants]

I'm not even looking at what 757690 posted, because I'm sure it's just more nonsense.


Let me throw this out. If the Reds spend $85 million on payroll in 2023, I guarantee 757690 will declare next year that the Reds added payroll in the off-season, even though that will actually be another drop year over year (from $107 in 2022). 757690 will say they added $10 million (or whatever) because on 11/20/22 the payroll was at $75 million. That kind of bookkeeping gets people thrown in jail.

[757690]

I'm not even looking at what 757690 posted, because I'm sure it's just more nonsense.


Let me throw this out. If the Reds spend $85 million on payroll in 2023, I guarantee 757690 will declare next year that the Reds added payroll in the off-season, even though that will actually be another drop year over year (from $107 in 2022). 757690 will say they added $10 million (or whatever) because on 11/20/22 the payroll was at $75 million. That kind of bookkeeping gets people thrown in jail.

Sigh, this is just nonsense. Of course I would not, because that would be non-factual and illogical. So now you are adding personal attacks and strawmen to your list of bad arguments.

Let’s use an analogy to make the point clearer.

In an argument over whether or not Hunter Greene had a problem with HR’s last year, the answer is easy to find. He had a HR/9 of 1.72, which is one of the worst in the majors, so the answer is an easy yes.

What you’re trying to do is to say, “well, he had a 1.6 fWAR, so he must not have had a problem with HR’s”. You are bringing in an irrelevant bigger point that has nothing to do with the more precise discussion being had.

Yes, Hunter Greene had a problem with HR’s and he put up a fWAR of 1.6. Both can be true. Similarly, the Reds did spend the money saved from the trades on players for 2022, and they ended the season with a lower payroll in 2022 than they had in 2021. Both can be true, and both are true.

[InsaneinthBrame]

The Reds are making money hand over fist. You only have to look at the Padres they have payroll over 200 million and they are small market like the Reds. If you spend money the people will come.

[Joeyjection19]

They used the money saved by the trades to add to the payroll. Period. End of story. I was correct.

What the Reds did after that is irrelevant to this discussion. The fact that they traded Castillo and Mahle had absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they used the money saved by the trades to add to the payroll.

Again, false.

Out	Saved		In	Added	Source
Barnhart	$7,500,000		Minor	$10,500,000	Trade
Miley	$10,000,000		Fraley	$710,000	Trade
Gray	$10,700,000		Dunn	$720,000	Trade
Suarez	$10,500,000		Solano	$4,500,000	Free Agent
Winker	$6,250,000		Strickland	$1,825,000	Free Agent
Garrett	$2,025,000		Anderson	$700,000	Minor League Free Agent
			Reynolds	$700,000	Waivers
			Farmer	$1,750,000	Minor League Free Agent
			Romine	$700,000	DFA Trade
			Pham	$6,000,000	Free Agent
			NaquinRemoved	$2,521,180Removed	Free Agent
			Moran	$1,000,000	Minor League Free Agent
			Drury	$583,520	Minor League Free Agent
Total	$46,975,000		Total	$29,688,520

They used all the money they saved, except for $17,286,480, and also the opportunity cost of years of lost control.

[LeatherPants]

Again, false.

Out	Saved		In	Added	Source
Barnhart	$7,500,000		Minor	$10,500,000	Trade
Miley	$10,000,000		Fraley	$710,000	Trade
Gray	$10,700,000		Dunn	$720,000	Trade
Suarez	$10,500,000		Solano	$4,500,000	Free Agent
Winker	$6,250,000		Strickland	$1,825,000	Free Agent
Garrett	$2,025,000		Anderson	$700,000	Minor League Free Agent
			Reynolds	$700,000	Waivers
			Farmer	$1,750,000	Minor League Free Agent
			Romine	$700,000	DFA Trade
			Pham	$6,000,000	Free Agent
			Naquin	$2,521,150	Free Agent
			Moran	$1,000,000	Minor League Free Agent
			Drury	$583,520	Minor League Free Agent
Total	$49,975,000		Total	$32,209,520

They used all the money they saved, except for $14,765,300, and also the opportunity cost of years of lost control.

Naquin shouldn't be included, and his contract numbers are incorrect. He wasn't brought in last year, he was a holdover. But otherwise, yes.

[757690]

Again, false.

Out	Saved		In	Added	Source
Barnhart	$7,500,000		Minor	$10,500,000	Trade
Miley	$10,000,000		Fraley	$710,000	Trade
Gray	$10,700,000		Dunn	$720,000	Trade
Suarez	$10,500,000		Solano	$4,500,000	Free Agent
Winker	$6,250,000		Strickland	$1,825,000	Free Agent
Garrett	$2,025,000		Anderson	$700,000	Minor League Free Agent
			Reynolds	$700,000	Waivers
			Farmer	$1,750,000	Minor League Free Agent
			Romine	$700,000	DFA Trade
			Pham	$6,000,000	Free Agent
			Naquin	$2,521,150	Free Agent
			Moran	$1,000,000	Minor League Free Agent
			Drury	$583,520	Minor League Free Agent
Total	$46,975,000		Total	$32,209,520

They used all the money they saved, except for $14,765,300, and also the opportunity cost of years of lost control.

Thanks again for doing the research that proves that I was correct. The comment I made that said was false, was specifically about the Winker/Suarez trade and the Gray trade. It was not about the money saved from Barnhart and Miley or Castellanos for that matter. If you go through this thread, that is specifically what I have referred to many times.

The Reds made it clear that they made the Miley and Barnhart moves in order to get to the payroll number they wanted. After the Gray and Winker trades, they said those were done in order to free up money to spend on other players. And that is exactly what they did.

So using the facts you so kindly provided, the Reds actually spent more money than they saved from those trades.

Thanks again

[Joeyjection19]

Naquin shouldn't be included, and his contract numbers are incorrect. He wasn't brought in last year, he was a holdover. But otherwise, yes.

Fixed. Thank you!

[757690]

The Reds are making money hand over fist. You only have to look at the Padres they have payroll over 200 million and they are small market like the Reds. If you spend money the people will come.

I completely agree this and have been saying this over and over again since 2016. The can have a $200M payroll if they want to. They are choosing not to.

[LeatherPants]

Forget it

[Ron Madden]

The Reds say they have some financial flexibility. A look at free agents fits. 11-20-22

Even before the Cincinnati Reds traded veteran infielder Kyle Farmer, General Manager Nick Krall said the club had “a little" payroll flexibility to navigate the offseason.

The roster moves last week, replacing Farmer with Kevin Newman while releasing Jeff Hoffman, Aristides Aquino and Derek Law, shaved nearly $7 million off next year’s projected payroll based on estimated salaries for arbitration-eligible players.

“For us, it’s just trying to figure out how we can best utilize our money and get improvement across the board across all levels,” Krall said. “We’ve talked about this before whether it was position players or pitchers, we just need to improve. How can we best utilize that money?”

The Reds have one of the weakest rosters in the league following a 100-loss season with relatively few positions settled headed into spring training.

Every team wants to add pitching, and the Reds saw how injuries could devastate a staff last season, but there are three areas the Reds appear to be prioritizing to improve their lineup through free agency or trades.

So, which areas of the roster are the Reds looking to spend?

Backup catcher
Center field
Corner bats
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Continue Reading:
https://sports.yahoo.com/reds-financ...183718584.html

[Falls City Beer]

The Reds say they have some financial flexibility. A look at free agents fits. 11-20-22
Continue Reading:
https://sports.yahoo.com/reds-financ...183718584.html

You really have to work hard to say less than what Krall is doing here.

[Joeyjection19]

The Reds say they have some financial flexibility. A look at free agents fits. 11-20-22
Continue Reading:
https://sports.yahoo.com/reds-financ...183718584.html

I wonder what the internal number is. If it's "as little as possible," I'd aim for Hedges, Bellinger, and whichever corner outfielder fell through the cracks. Regardless of how much they have to spend, I'd avoid Sanchez like the plague.

[REDREAD]

They’ve been at it longer. We really don’t know how smart the Reds will be at this. However, it will be difficult to find a team, any team, that had a better trade deadline in the last decade, than the Reds did this past trade deadline.

Ever since Marge was forced to sell, the Reds have been promising to do things the smarter way or "The right way"
How many times have they told us that they were beefing up international scouting, analytics, etc
Other than the Walt era, it just hasn't been working.
Dick Williams was passable, I will give him that.. But still , he only got the team to a few games over 500
The GMs other than Walt and Williams? Pure incompetence. Krall is right up there with Dan Obrien as a contender for worst Reds GM of my lifetime.