I like Taillon as a target if they want to spend on the rotation. Wouldn’t take crazy money. Could probably get him for a couple years and has some upside.Originally Posted by Alpha Zero
I like Taillon as a target if they want to spend on the rotation. Wouldn’t take crazy money. Could probably get him for a couple years and has some upside.
ain't no way taillon would sign with the reds, unless they overpaid him so much that he couldn't turn it down. he came up with the pirates, so he knows a thing or two about bad organizations. he also knows all about GABP.
Kinsm (09-09-2022)
I think it is moot with Taillon, I expect the Yanks want to keep him?
Ya know what, the Reds might have to overspend for quality FA to add to the up and coming prospects until there’s some sustained winning.
Cessa (and hopefully Dunn) should be a guy who piggy-backs the youngsters so they can last the full season next year.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. -- Carl Sagan (Pale Blue Dot)
Fun fact: you can make a full 26-man roster of players (plus some) who have contributed negative bWAR to the Reds this year. And that doesn't even include 10 game loser Mike Minor (who has 0.0 bWAR) and .196 hitter Aristides Aquino (who miraculously has a 1.4 bWAR).
Old school 1983 (09-10-2022)
What's really crazy is if they have a decent last 3 weeks there could very well be 7 teams in mlb with worse records in 2022.
Fraley and Friedl look to be 2 outfield candidates that are post 850-ish OPS and filling huge holes late in 2022 that we looked like a mess giong into 2023. LF and CF at least has solid players for those spots (or at least platoon guys from left side). Also, India coming to life after injury struggles early helps me ease he wasn't a flash in pan last year.
Very good
C - Stephenson
SP1 - Lodolo
Closer - Diaz
Solid
2B - India
LF - Fraley
SP2 - Ashcraft
Iffy but possible
CF - Friedl
1B - Votto
SP3 - Greene
3B - Steer
Bad
SS - Barrero
RF - Aquino
SP 4 - ????
SP 5 - ????
Rest of bullpen
Need another good veteran starter. That won’t work, too thin.
Excluding guys who made 1 start only - Reds had 12 pitchers start games this season. Reds had eight pitchers start five or more games this season. Add in another good vet, add in Overton, maybe you have a starting staff with Dunn, Cessa, and young guys.
Last edited by Kc61; 09-10-2022 at 12:34 PM.
Revering4Blue (09-10-2022)
Interesting list.
I think it might be more effective if you compared Reds to others in MLB.
When viewed in that way, I like Stephenson, India, Steer (as a utility guy), Fraley, Friedl/ Fairchild in CF, and Antone and Diaz. I can live with Santillan, Votto, Ashcraft, and Greene as they learn on the job or end their careers. The entirety of the bullpen beyond the top three are fungible-- keep them if they're cheap. Farmer, IMO, is being miscast as a regular and needs to be a short-side platoon bat and backup catcher. (It is only in that role would I consider him interesting enough to keep.)
Everyone else-- Barrero, Aquino, Senzel, Moustakas, Reynolds, Minor (of course)-- should be sent packing at the end of the season.
Not only does Reds pitching staff have a high walk rate, but the pitchers have the lowest GB rate in the NL and second lowest in MLB.
Reds staff GB rate is 40.1%, only Seattle is lower in MLB. For a GABP team, would seem sub-optimal. Something to improve in 2023.
elrojo (09-10-2022),UK Reds Fan (09-10-2022)
This is how I see it for next year:
Core players:
India
Stephenson
Lodolo
Diaz
Greene
Ashcraft
Potential to move into the core:
Barrero
Steer
Dunn
Aged out but still might be productive:
Friedl
Fraley
Senzel
Votto
Farmer
Overton
Aquino
Young players who will be inconsistent, but still might flash major league ability:
EDLC
CES
Williamson
Hopkins
McLain
Roa
Phillips
Long shots:
Cedrola
Cerda
McGarry
Boyle
Quintana
Last edited by WrongVerb; 09-13-2022 at 09:31 AM.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. -- Carl Sagan (Pale Blue Dot)
Dunn and his 8.31 FIP have no potential to be a part of the team core. Having 3 good young SP and a legit back end bullpen arm is a good start, but the Reds need to add some solid veterans to the rotation and pen. I think stop gaps are the way to go on offense while we evaluate which prospects are going to step up in 2023.
Dunn’s coming off a pretty major chunk of time off with injury. He’s not a world beater by any stretch, but I’d give him a fresh start and more rope next year.
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Another guy I see left out of everyone’s plans is Fairchild. Small sample and all but he has over a 900 OPS right now and can play a legit CF. He had over a 900 ops in AAA too. I think he needs to see more time.
1. In what world has Barrero shown to be potential to move to core? He's like sub 500 OPS and he was pretty much a grease fire in AAA.
2. Dunn is potential core as well? He gets lit up like a candle..>ERA over 6?
I get prospect status...but these guys are just as much questions as Friedl, Fraley, etc... I hate the thought to give them jobs on 2023 roster.
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