Jose Barrero Called Up

[Kc61]

If one has 500 PAs and strikes out 10%, that reduces chances for a successful at bat by 50.

If one has 500 PAs and strikes out 40%, that reduces the chances for a successful at bat by 200.

Strikeouts don’t operate in a vacuum. If the K rate is high enough, chances for successful PAs also are reduced. Hence an impact on OPS and other performance numbers.

If a high K hitter doesn’t walk, that makes things even harder. Walks (theoretically) provide “free” on base success. If a high K hitter doesn’t get those free bases, he has two obstacles to overcome.

[westofyou]

if he's a gold glove shortstop and OPS's at a .900 clip ... i won't care at all how much he Ks.

problem is, the chance of jose barrero OPS'ing .900 at any point in his MLB career is less than .01%. he has zero plate discipline. adam dunn struck out a lot, but he had very underrated plate discipline (for a guy who K'd a tremendous amount). dunn would do things like work the count, not always swing at pitches outside of the zone. you know, things that barrero never does.

That's not .900. That's OPS+ 90

Quite the difference

[Old school 1983]

I’d say it’s the hamate if he was a bit late on pitches or was cheating to catch up. He has no idea what a slider is. I joked about it earlier. I think for him (and Aquino) once your down 0-2 or 1-2, you don’t get to swing again until the count is at least 2-2. The odds of a pitcher throwing a called strike in those situations has to be approaching zero.

[JFLegal]

That's not .900. That's OPS+ 90

Quite the difference

oh, sorry for the misunderstanding. how far off of an .900 OPS are you talking about?

[westofyou]

oh, sorry for the misunderstanding. how far off of an .900 OPS are you talking about?

Farmer has an OPS+ of 89 (.702)

[Big Klu]

oh, sorry for the misunderstanding. how far off of an .900 OPS are you talking about?

Kyle Farmer currently has an 89 OPS+ with a .702 OPS. So you would be in that ballpark.

[CaiGuy]

If one has 500 PAs and strikes out 10%, that reduces chances for a successful at bat by 50.

If one has 500 PAs and strikes out 40%, that reduces the chances for a successful at bat by 200.

Strikeouts don’t operate in a vacuum. If the K rate is high enough, chances for successful PAs also are reduced. Hence an impact on OPS and other performance numbers.

If a high K hitter doesn’t walk, that makes things even harder. Walks (theoretically) provide “free” on base success. If a high K hitter doesn’t get those free bases, he has two obstacles to overcome.

Nobody is saying that he could continue to strike out 40% and be successful... obviously he couldn't.

But he consistently hovered around 22% pre-injury. If he can get stay around that range, he could be fine as a good-fielding SS with pop. Everybody is in love with Farmer, but if Jose can manage a .700 OPS he is already an improvement over Farmer as his defense is much better. More offense than that would be gravy.

[Kc61]

Nobody is saying that he could continue to strike out 40% and be successful... obviously he couldn't.

But he consistently hovered around 22% pre-injury. If he can get stay around that range, he could be fine as a good-fielding SS with pop. Everybody is in love with Farmer, but if Jose can manage a .700 OPS he is already an improvement over Farmer as his defense is much better. More offense than that would be gravy.

Pre-injury Barrero had a K rate around 22% in the MINORS.

There is nothing to indicate he can do that against major league pitching. Hope he does, I’d give him time, but I don’t expect it anytime soon.

40% was just a data point I picked to represent a high K rate. This year, right now, Jose is at a 62% strikeout rate. Lifetime in the bigs, he’s at 40%. He also has 0 walks this year and 2.5% lifetime, a related topic.

[Mitri]

A double, single, and only 1 strikeout today!

Baby steps…patience…alcohol helps too.

[CaiGuy]

Pre-injury Barrero had a K rate around 22% in the MINORS.

There is nothing to indicate he can do that against major league pitching. Hope he does, I’d give him time, but I don’t expect it anytime soon.

40% was just a data point I picked to represent a high K rate. This year, right now, Jose is at a 62% strikeout rate. Lifetime in the bigs, he’s at 40%. He also has 0 walks this year and 2.5% lifetime, a related topic.

No doubt, he has been bad at the plate in his 150 major league PA's. We'll see what he will be able to do with a larger sample.

Another K today, but it was a good take on a pitch several inches below his knees. Decent day at the plate for him, though an error on the field.

I just think he has too much talent to sleep on, though he does have a lot of improvement to make. The safer bet is to bet against him, as most don't make it. We'll see one way or the other.

[Assembly Hall]

A double, single, and only 1 strikeout today!

Praise Jesus!

[westofyou]

No doubt, he has been bad at the plate in his 150 major league PA's. We'll see what he will be able to do with a larger sample.

Another K today, but it was a good take on a pitch several inches below his knees. Decent day at the plate for him, though an error on the field.

I just think he has too much talent to sleep on, though he does have a lot of improvement to make. The safer bet is to bet against him, as most don't make it. We'll see one way or the other.

O’Neil Cruz has 70 ks in 178 PAs

So whatever Barreo is doing k wise it’s not unprecedented

[SomeCallMeTim]

Praise Jesus!

[Kc61]

No doubt, he has been bad at the plate in his 150 major league PA's. We'll see what he will be able to do with a larger sample.

Another K today, but it was a good take on a pitch several inches below his knees. Decent day at the plate for him, though an error on the field.

I just think he has too much talent to sleep on, though he does have a lot of improvement to make. The safer bet is to bet against him, as most don't make it. We'll see one way or the other.

The Reds need to recognize Jose’s plate discipline problem and focus heavily on improving it. I don’t get how promoting him to face MLB pitching now was designed to accomplish that.

Some people said “let’s see what we have.” I don’t want to see what we have. I want the emphasis to be on improving this one area that stands out as a serious weakness. He’s still relatively young, finish the development.

[HokieRed]

The Reds need to recognize Jose’s plate discipline problem and focus heavily on improving it. I don’t get how promoting him to face MLB pitching now was designed to accomplish that.

Some people said “let’s see what we have.” I don’t want to see what we have. I want the emphasis to be on improving this one area that stands out as a serious weakness. He’s still relatively young, finish the development.

He's had 437 AAA PA's, almost 1900 in the minor leagues altogether. It's time. He's either going to be able to do it or not, and the org. needs to know that. There's nothing at stake in the season. When is a better time?