I'm thinking more Mel Queen. .395 OPS in 1966, threw 195.2 of 2.76 baseball in 1967Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman
I'm thinking more Mel Queen. .395 OPS in 1966, threw 195.2 of 2.76 baseball in 1967
No doubt about your overall historical point. An interesting Reds exception would be Post, who had a powerful arm--and is roughly in the time period you're alluding to (slightly earlier than Clemente, say, though nearly contemporary with Mays)
Bobby Nightengale, Cincinnati Enquirer
I'm not saying Aquino should be on the big league roster in 2023, his offense needs a whole lotta work, but you can't say his defense isn't outstanding.
It was one of those plays that seemingly left everybody in awe, teammates and opponents alike.
In the fifth inning Wednesday, Cincinnati Reds right fielder Aristides Aquino raced nine steps to his back left to chase a line drive off the bat from Alec Bohm. The 6-foot-4 Aquino reached out his left arm to make the running catch in front of the warning track.
The catch itself was a highlight, but that was just part one. Aquino took three steps to slow his momentum from a full sprint, spun his body back toward the infield and uncorked a rocket throw to first base to complete an inning-ending double play.
Rhys Hoskins, the runner at first base, went three-fourths of the way to second base, but Aquino’s throw beat him back to the bag.
“That was sick,” Reds center fielder Albert Almora Jr. said. “What a play. Just the fact that he got to that as he ran back, it’s a tough play. Just the courage to go for it and not be scared of the play, it’s special. That was unbelievable throw.
Aquino has played only 267 innings in right field this season, entering Friday, but it’s not a stretch to say he should be in the conversation for a Gold Glove. The Fielding Bible, a sabermetric defensive metric, credits Aquino with 12 runs saved in right field and four runs saved in left field. Houston Astros right fielder Kyle Tucker leads all right fielders with 13 runs saved. FanGraphs says Aquino is worth 16 runs saved in the outfield, the most in baseball, and eight runs above Almora.
The Reds still need to see more from him offensively to warrant a real role on the 2023 roster. He entered Friday’s series opener in Pittsburgh with a .173 batting average, four homers and 12 RBI in 44 games.
Last edited by Ron Madden; 08-19-2022 at 09:28 PM.
It's a Five-Tool game, but the one that generates more interactions with other teams and the fans is batting
HokieRed (08-20-2022),MikeS21 (08-20-2022),Revering4Blue (08-25-2022),Ron Madden (08-19-2022)
No doubt
Aquino has started 35 games and has nine assists, he's making history so far (for the Reds)
The Reds all time record for less than 50 games is Dick Bayless in 1908.
But if the season was to end today he'd be remembered for those assists
Since division play 50 or less, Aquino is now #1 by far on this list
Code:CINCINNATI REDS SEASON 1969-2022 OF GAMES <= 50 ASSISTS YEAR A G 1 Mike Lum 1978 6 43 2 Chris Stynes 1997 5 38 T3 Ed Armbrister 1976 4 32 T3 Kal Daniels 1989 4 38 T3 Thomas Howard 1993 4 37 T3 Brian Hunter 2000 4 25 T3 Deion Sanders 2001 4 16 T3 Drew Stubbs 2009 4 42
All time Reds history
Players used to be more reckless, the ball was often in front of the outfielder come in (not corked) so there was more in field action and that leads to more assists. 63 Reds have had 4 OF assists or more in 50 or less games, 35 of them played before Babe Ruth, 55 of them before division play.Code:CINCINNATI REDS SEASON OF GAMES <= 50 ASSISTS YEAR A G 1 Dick Bayless 1908 11 36 2 Sam Crawford 1899 9 31 T3 Jack O'Connor 1888 8 34 T3 John Reilly 1891 8 36 T3 Piggy Ward 1893 8 40 T3 Edd Roush 1922 8 43 T7 Charley Jones 1887 7 41 T7 Billy Earle 1889 7 26 T7 Jack McCarthy 1893 7 47 T7 Shad Barry 1906 7 30 T7 Ward Miller 1910 7 26 T7 Sherry Magee 1917 7 41 T7 Manuel Cueto 1919 7 25
The full season record for assists for the the Reds displays that fact
Code:ASSISTS YEAR A G 1 Mike Mitchell 1907 39 146 2 Pop Corkhill 1885 35 110 T3 Pop Corkhill 1884 29 92 T3 Pop Corkhill 1887 29 128 T3 Bug Holliday 1889 29 135 T3 Dummy Hoy 1894 29 126 7 Tommy Griffith 1916 28 155 8 Kip Selbach 1899 27 140 T9 Pop Corkhill 1886 25 112 T9 Dusty Miller 1895 25 132 T9 Jimmy Barrett 1900 25 137 T9 Cy Seymour 1905 25 149 T9 Dode Paskert 1910 25 139
Aquino will probably play in a majority of the remaining games, around 70-75 for him by year-end, if he can get 10 assists he'll be hanging with these guys. The Francouer number was that year he exploded on the scene and was the flavor of the month
Code:ASSISTS YEAR A G 1 Jeff Francoeur 2005 13 67 Braves 2 Ruppert Jones 1985 12 73 Angels 3 Larry Stahl 1971 11 75 Padres T4 Bill Sharp 1973 10 70 White Sox T4 Enos Cabell 1975 10 67 Astros T4 Bob Bailor 1977 10 63 Blue Jays T4 Jerry Turner 1977 10 69 Padres T4 Otto Velez 1978 10 74 Blue Jays T4 Lonnie Smith 1981 10 51 Phillies T4 Juan Gonzalez 2003 10 57 Rangers T4 Peter Bourjos 2010 10 51 Angels
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Aquino may throw like Peter Bourjos but he hits like,....wait, I think I did that wrong.
westofyou (08-21-2022)
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Phillies broadcast of Aristides Aquino's throw.
John Kruk's reaction was awesome.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Nicholasp...Co-fi25a8rAAAA
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757690 (08-25-2022),UKFlounder (08-25-2022)
I've seen arms that are as strong, or maybe even a bit stronger, than Aquino's. I cannot remember ever seeing an arm as accurate as his this side of Ichiro.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
757690 (08-25-2022),Old school 1983 (08-25-2022),Ron Madden (08-25-2022)
No doubt he has a rocket for an arm. His accuracy is excellent too. But I'm not so sure about his overall defense. It takes more than just a great arm to play great defense.
Ron Madden (08-25-2022)
I like him in RF. His background is heavily in RF. Just to my eyes he’s not nearly as good in other OF positions.
In RF, his arm is a huge plus. That arm may be able to overcome otherwise average defense. But he's not hitting or getting on base any better than your typical good field/no hit OFer. If our memories of his HR spree in August of 2019 could be erased from our memories, I don't think we'd be so adamant about him being a Red now and in the future.
Roy Tucker (08-25-2022)
Other than his arm, I really don't think he's that great of a fielder. It doesn't appear that he always has the best reads, or gets the best jumps. Sometimes I think he wouldn't have as many great assists from the OF if he got better reads off the bat. His arm covers his other shortcomings.
“I think I throw the ball as hard as anyone. The ball just doesn't get there as fast.” — Eddie Bane
“We know we're better than this ... but we can't prove it.” — Tony Gwynn
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Agreed completely. It's fun to watch him fire one in sometimes, but I've been ready for the AA experiment to be over for a long time now. It doesn't matter at this point in this season though.
Yeah, but I’m not sure the Reds can resist re-upping with Aquino. His throwing arm has become a reason to watch the team. Me, I’d look for a steadier RH platoon bat. But I’m starting to think Reds will pay AA for an arbitration year, use his throwing as a point of interest, and give it another season.
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