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The pirates have lost 7 straight. They are really committed to losing for Crews.
What would you say.....ya do here?
REDREAD (09-27-2022),Wonderful Monds (09-23-2022)
The Reds lost the lottery the day that Bob and Phil decided they didn't care about winning. They can draft as many first picks in the draft that they want, their model is flawed. It doesn't matter if they draft Babe Ruth Jr. next summer. The better model is to build a team that competes every year rather than having to look at the waiver wire in the afternoon to see who your starting pitchers are the next week.
Where we gonna go?
What would you say.....ya do here?
Wonderful Monds (09-27-2022)
The 5th pick is pretty good, too.
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
Just remember if Reds finish, say, fifth in lottery odds, they can still wind up selecting as late the 11th pick.
The top six picks are selected by lottery. If you lose out, you then draft in reverse W-L PCT order, beginning with pick seven.
It’s unlikely Reds would drop that far, but their guarantee, with the fifth worst record, is only a pick somewhere in the top 11.
Further, if Reds do manage a top six pick, they can only do so for two years in a row. As a team that obtains revenue sharing dollars, they are limited in that way. So Reds can’t count on getting a very high pick every year and building that way.
REDREAD (09-27-2022)
This is exactly why it should just be best record of the non-play-off teams that picks first followed by the next best all the way down to the worst record followed by the play-off teams picking at the end in reverse order of how they performed in play-offs (World Seres winner picks last, world series loser picks second to last etc.)
Spend your revenue sharing money and try to win. This is a sport about winning. Winning should be rewarded not losing.
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Falls City Beer (09-27-2022),REDREAD (09-27-2022)
What annoys me about the draft is that it creates false hope for lousy franchises. Prospects often disappoint. Home grown talent alone hardly ever results in a consistent winner. Yet for a team like the Reds, the prospect base becomes a primary point of interest and excitement. The team has little else to sell.
Thinking back to last year’s negotiations, I would have liked a minimum salary structure. Require teams to pay some veterans, make that a pre-requisite even for rebuilding clubs.
Falls City Beer (09-27-2022),REDREAD (09-27-2022),Roy Tucker (09-27-2022)
Yes.. the Reds have just had a long string of relatively high draft picks, and they did pretty well on them. Greene is a work in progress. Senzel failed, but pretty much everyone else has hit. Plus they got Ashcraft in a lower round (4th round? I don't remember). They hit on Diaz too. But look at the team, it stinks, because ownership is too cheap to get quality veterans to support these kids.
The Reds have done about as well as someone could reasonably expect in the draft, yet they are still awful.
The farm is ranked high now, because of all the vets that were traded for prospects, but there's just not enough talent there to make the team a winner without investing in some veterans.
All these kids are going to arrive at staggered times. Steer is here now. That kid we got for Gray is probably 4 years away (if he makes it) -- by the time that kid arrives, most of the successful #1 picks on the team now are likely to be gone.
I agree with you, the last labor agreement did little to help competitive balance. I do like that teams can't tank their way to the #1 pick, but ownership like Phil C could care less about where the Reds pick in the draft, they don't care about winning today or tomorrow. They think they are entitled to put out a crappy product , screw over the fans and watch the money roll in. And the current system lets them do that. Your idea is a good one. Another good idea would be to make a team's revenue sharing tied to payroll and/or W-L record. You lose 95+ games? No revenue sharing money for you.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
Falls City Beer (09-27-2022)
Exactly. It feeds into the shell game teams like the Reds and Pirates play. "We're getting some top picks and we'll compete in 3 years." Every year it just gets pushed out another couple of years, but they sell this to keep the fan base engaged. Trying to win would be a better way to keep the fans engaged IMO.
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All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
Falls City Beer (09-27-2022),REDREAD (09-27-2022),Redsfan6272 (09-27-2022)
MLB is one of the worst offenders in terms of the prospect build-up game. In the NBA and NFL, there are no minor leagues for the higher level prospects. The better players go directly to the big team. They’re expected to contribute within a couple of years. There isn’t much time for a build up.
In baseball, players spend years in the minors leading to all kinds of analysis, speculation, projection. With a prolonged waiting period, teams can ask fans to wait, and trumpet these kids, for a longer period.
There’s nothing wrong with good prospects, they’re essential, but they aren’t a substitute for a competitive MLB team.
Falls City Beer (09-27-2022),mth123 (09-27-2022),REDREAD (09-27-2022)
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